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My Experience Gaming Blades as a Mid-High Handicapper

AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
Hey guys, I know there are a lot of WRXers that absolutely love the look of blades but are a bit scared to actually consider playing with them (I was one of those people too a year ago).



A few months ago, I decided to buy a Mizuno combo set. I'm gaming 4-6 MP-18 SC, and 7-PW MP-18 MB. All of them have Modus 3 120 X flex shafts. To be honest, I almost wish I went 4-PW in the MB because I don't find the SC to be any more forgiving than the MB, however the feel is on par I'd say. My swing speed with driver is about 110MPH and with a 7 iron is around 93MPH.



I was a pretty decent ball striker but my handicap was awfully high due to my short game (putting & within 50 yards). I am a complete sucker for looks & feel, and those two attributes are probably most important to me when choosing clubs to play. With that said, the switch from GI irons to blades has been amazing for me. I personally don't buy into the whole "forgiveness" thing too much. Sure, a big fat hunk of metal with much more toe weighting might help you pull a few more yards out of a mishit, but the reality is, regardless of the iron you're playing the shot is going to be a bad shot whether you get 5 extra yards or not. Nevertheless, these irons have helped me find the middle of the club more often than not and best of all have inspired me to play golf even more. Every time I see these irons in my golf bag, I can't help myself put to go pull one out and just admire the beauty (I know, I'm a loser).



Anyway, my point in writing this is to hopefully inspire somebody else on the fence about blades to give them a try. If you have any other specific questions, ask away!



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  • Ryan5508Ryan5508 Advanced Members Posts: 444 ✭✭
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  • avguyavguy Replacement Player Advanced Members Posts: 1,045 ✭✭
    Plenty 'O Swing Speed for using MBs. image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' /> That combo and the feel it is when you flush the shot will keep you in them, not your scores from what I gathered.



    Similar, being Mid to High HC, lesser SS - but I am migrating away (from forged MBs) for now as I gain on 60 for just a touch of easy factor. I will hold onto one set of MB blades that I've always played in my Callaway Razr MBs - just pure smooth thud thru the ball!



    MP 18 MB is likely the tops for that kinda feel in the current lines out from many posts here over the past year or so....



    Alot of the low HC players will talk "working the ball" factor for MBs - I am not one that needed to find one portion of the green to land on, but I must always play my draw with irons. I do see a touch less draw so far with just 1 month into my TM M5 set, and lighter shafts than I played in MBs - but no dealbreaker.
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  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭
    We get this topic frequently and I have to say I disagree. "Good" ball striking is a very relative term depending on what you are looking to get out of your game. If you find enjoyment out of that perfectly struck shot from a blade that's awesome, but to sluff off forgiveness between MBs and CBs is really painting with a broad brush. I don't know what your handicap is (you only said mid-high), but I am not sure you know what consistently finding the center of the club is. I don't think I do either. A round of golf for most anyone, save the top players in the world, is about consistency and quality of mis-hits. Losing 5 yards on a mis-hit shot is the difference between being on the green and off, or in a bunker, or in a water hazard. You said that your short game was weak. That weakness is going to be magnified by missed greens and further distance from the hole.



    The bottom line is you can do whatever you wish with your game, but more than likely playing blades is costing you strokes.
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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Advanced Members Posts: 1,348 ✭✭
    Glad you like them, but as the poster above said whether you realize it or not on your mishits it's costing you strokes. Whether it's 2 or 8 or round, it is.



    With that said, I AGREE with you in respect to 'knowing where you're hitting the ball' due to not having a fat shovel of a club. I also moved down to 'players GI' clubs (CF16) with smaller heads and 'less' help than an SGI club and I very much enjoy knowing when I suck and when I'm doing well.



    Lots of people playing golf with SGI clubs think they play well, when in reality they dont and they are quite off center on 90% of their hits, but the club is helping them.
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  • HiSpeed48HiSpeed48 Advanced Members Posts: 2,088 ✭✭
    That's a really nice set of sticks you have there. As long as you enjoy them that's what matters.



    Now go practice that short-game.
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  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
    bub72ck wrote:


    We get this topic frequently and I have to say I disagree. "Good" ball striking is a very relative term depending on what you are looking to get out of your game. If you find enjoyment out of that perfectly struck shot from a blade that's awesome, but to sluff off forgiveness between MBs and CBs is really painting with a broad brush. I don't know what your handicap is (you only said mid-high), but I am not sure you know what consistently finding the center of the club is. I don't think I do either. A round of golf for most anyone, save the top players in the world, is about consistency and quality of mis-hits. Losing 5 yards on a mis-hit shot is the difference between being on the green and off, or in a bunker, or in a water hazard. You said that your short game was weak. That weakness is going to be magnified by missed greens and further distance from the hole.



    The bottom line is you can do whatever you wish with your game, but more than likely playing blades is costing you strokes.


    My handicap is currently 15.4. When I bought the irons, it was 17.5. I came from a set of JPX 900 HM irons, which are certainly considered GI irons. When I hit a shot off the toe, it felt awful and I lost distance/accuracy & the same exact thing happens with these clubs. Is it maybe a bit worse of a shot than it would have otherwise been if I had the Hot Metals? Sure, but is the look, feel, and every aspect of the MP-18 worth it in my opinion? No doubt. Currently, I play golf for ENJOYMENT not to get my handicap as close to 0 as possible. Maybe that's where our differing opinions come into play?



    Bottom line for me is that forgiveness is a word that's overused and abused in golf and I think a lot of people believe certain things that simply aren't true or are majorly exaggerated.
  • avguyavguy Replacement Player Advanced Members Posts: 1,045 ✭✭
    The Post could be redone with a feel & looks test amongst all HCs for comparing current MB forged vs. GI or SGI cast sets.



    The winner on those two factors alone will be a dominant "yes!" to choose MBs after say 10 balls off grass with shaft de jour.



    The Ball doesn't know or care what size or looks of iron hits it and I have found mostly only WRXers look at clubs in the bag out on the course of play.....keep the MP 18 MBs for this season - we gotta keep ourselves in this game with many factors influencing us.



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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Advanced Members Posts: 11,370 ✭✭
    If you like them - then awesome



    i was a big blade guy for years and am now working in GI and SGI stuff into the mix



    I only find GI irons to be tough off of super firm conditions



    One thing to remember and tour guys are the same. Everyone hits their good shots good. It's the quality of your misses that determines scoring and wins



    5-8 yards short and right could be on the green with a SGI .. odds are par is easier from there



    Good luck



    Side note: this is especially true with modern drivers as well, Got quite a lesson on Trackman at PING ystdy with Rapture OG vs 400 LST
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  • bub72ckbub72ck Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:

    bub72ck wrote:


    We get this topic frequently and I have to say I disagree. "Good" ball striking is a very relative term depending on what you are looking to get out of your game. If you find enjoyment out of that perfectly struck shot from a blade that's awesome, but to sluff off forgiveness between MBs and CBs is really painting with a broad brush. I don't know what your handicap is (you only said mid-high), but I am not sure you know what consistently finding the center of the club is. I don't think I do either. A round of golf for most anyone, save the top players in the world, is about consistency and quality of mis-hits. Losing 5 yards on a mis-hit shot is the difference between being on the green and off, or in a bunker, or in a water hazard. You said that your short game was weak. That weakness is going to be magnified by missed greens and further distance from the hole.



    The bottom line is you can do whatever you wish with your game, but more than likely playing blades is costing you strokes.


    My handicap is currently 15.4. When I bought the irons, it was 17.5. I came from a set of JPX 900 HM irons, which are certainly considered GI irons. When I hit a shot off the toe, it felt awful and I lost distance/accuracy & the same exact thing happens with these clubs. Is it maybe a bit worse of a shot than it would have otherwise been if I had the Hot Metals? Sure, but is the look, feel, and every aspect of the MP-18 worth it in my opinion? No doubt. Currently, I play golf for ENJOYMENT not to get my handicap as close to 0 as possible. Maybe that's where our differing opinions come into play?



    Bottom line for me is that forgiveness is a word that's overused and abused in golf and I think a lot of people believe certain things that simply aren't true or are majorly exaggerated.




    There is nothing wrong with playing whatever clubs you most enjoy playing. The irons you have are fantastic and definitely beautiful, but I don't think they are going to help you with scoring which is the only thing we disagreed on from your first post. You placed blame on short game for your handicap but I only contend that the clubs are definitely a contributing factor. As Cardoustie said, it's the quality of the misses that determine scoring.
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  • Hit em goodHit em good Hit em good Advanced Members Posts: 2,088
    Play them and enjoy them. I don't think they will cause your game any problems. If anything, it may sharpen your ball striking. The mid-high handicappers I've ever played with don't hit any GIR anyway, other than with 8 iron and shorter.



    Hit em good
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  • ItsjustagameItsjustagame Advanced Members Posts: 1,258 ✭✭
    Play whatever you enjoy playing. This will encourage you to practice/play more, and that will make you better more than the clubs.
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Advanced Members Posts: 7,035 ✭✭
    I'm in the same boat, although my HC a little lower, speeds a little higher on good days.



    TLDR; hasn't affected my scoring and in fact I think it helps especially from the rough. Shot one of my best 9 hole rounds late last year with clubs most guys say shouldn't belong in my hands. Do I get punished sometimes? Yes. But the looks, feel and overall confidence I have in them more than makes up for that IMO.



    I'm considering going with Apex Pro this year because in two rounds of testing, I was seeing as much as 7mph more ball speed out of them, which was kind of crazy. Gaining a full club of distance, keep the good looks/feel AND keeping consistent distance off the face would be incredible. It's the 3rd point that would take some long term testing to see.



    OP, Keep gaming them and work on your chipping and putting. Odds are you will miss at least 60% of your greens or more, so getting up and down green side is massive. This is my plan this year...I'm spending about 80% of my time at my local range doing 10-15 yard chips, and then putting on my matt at home. Other 20% will be speed training and working on the full swing.
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  • llamontllamont Advanced Members Posts: 1,823 ✭✭
    @OP, beautiful irons!!! Practice, play, and enjoy!!!
    I love golf
  • golftejasgolftejas Advanced Members Posts: 424 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    OP, Keep gaming them and work on your chipping and putting. Odds are you will miss at least 60% of your greens or more, so getting up and down green side is massive. This is my plan this year...I'm spending about 80% of my time at my local range doing 10-15 yard chips, and then putting on my matt at home. Other 20% will be speed training and working on the full swing.




    Agree. Play what you enjoy. But also track all of your shots and be honest with yourself in determining what factor(s) are really driving your handicap up or down. If it's not the irons, play blades, but get after that weak spot in your game so you'll enjoy the sport even more.
  • Lefty96Lefty96 Advanced Members Posts: 111 ✭✭
    There is nothing wrong with playing blades if they simply bring more enjoyment to your game. Whether thats because you like the way the feel/look at address, or because you just like being "able" to play blades. But, if you get more enjoyment out of shooting you best score then you may want to consider making a change. Like people above have pointed out, you'll just hit more greens with a GI or players GI club then you will with blades. If score isn't really important to you, by all means keep playing the blades. They will give you a **** of a lot of feedback about your strike and maybe you'll even learn to find the middle of the face more often because of it. Most importantly enjoy golf! They are a pretty set of sticks!
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  • ShakesterShakester Advanced Members Posts: 400 ✭✭
    Blades are nice. I've played them for many years and my last set were the Nike blades. That was back when I really played and hovered around a 5. After a long hiatus from the game, due to injury and just lack of time, I dusted off my Nike blades and started playing again. After a half a year, I played myself back to a 12 and honestly was pretty happy.



    When I decided to finally to hang up my Nikes blades, I focused on getting another set. I honed in on the Nike VR blades but thought, why play them if I don't have to, but I liked the aesthetics. I ended up with a set of Nike Vapor Pro Combos. Blade like feel but with forgiveness and I got myself back to single digits in no time. My toe shots suddenly became right center strikes and still got good results. I was missing greens left or right instead of short left or short right. If you don't absolutely pure a blade, you'll be scrambling.
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  • BMCBMC Advanced Members Posts: 3,458 ✭✭
    I drive a classic car. It's not that fast, not that comfortable, doesn't have cupholders. But I enjoy it.



    Enjoy those blades. It's recreation.
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  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
    BMC wrote:


    I drive a classic car. It's not that fast, not that comfortable, doesn't have cupholders. But I enjoy it.



    Enjoy those blades. It's recreation.
    This made me laugh, but I COMPLETELY agree. Love it.
  • MelloYelloMelloYello Advanced Members Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    edited March 12
    I did Titleist MB 3-Pw last year and just switched over to the CB. I couldn't be happier. I grew sick of living on the edge and wanted to free myself up to practice other things.



    Then again, if the longest blade you have is a 7i, you're not really on the edge to begin with... image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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  • Jakob 91Jakob 91 Members Posts: 61
    I’m a 26 hcp in my 2nd season. SS with 7i is 85-87 mph. I loved my Maltby DBM Forged but just recently put my first set back in the bag- Mizuno MP-33, 4-PW. I absolutely LOVE the direct feedback I’m getting, and surprisingly, I’m just as long with the 2 degrees weaker loft. In part due to me practicing a lot and getting better at hitting that sweet spot more regularly.

    I’ve been playing the guitar for over 25 years and when I started out, I decided to use thicker strings to train my fingers- this is comparable to using blades early on. Lots of sweat and tears, but worth it in the end.

    The one revelation I had when I came back to the MP-33 a month ago: on the course, they are a different animal than on the range with mats. The cut through the grass so effortlessly, it makes a difference to me and my strikes.

    At hcp 26, I have a lot to learn (I shoot between 90 and 110). So it doesn’t bother me when I mishit an iron- I do that anyway. The feeling of a pure shot is so addicting that currently, I can not imagine going back. That said, the 4/5i are not easy to hit, but it’s coming.

    To anyone with a comparable hcp, give it a try- if you want honest feedback and are willing to improve. I’m not taking shortcuts- I wanna be good at this game. I love my Mizunos.
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  • dubbelbogeydubbelbogey Advanced Members Posts: 337 ✭✭
    You know what will improve your game? Enjoy the game as much as you can and in doing so, you'll find that working on your game is not really work. If you're playing clubs that you enjoy more, you'll naturally improve because you like golf more. And this will, by far, override any equipment differences that may or may not be "objectively" present (within the normal bounds of mainstream equipment that is reasonably well fit.)
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    I'm in your corner....lower hdcp but much slower speed.....not a fan of big,bulky, offset irons...had PXG combo set with a big regret getting the P heads....tons of offset and thick soled....wish I had gotten the Tour head....now I'm rotating iblade by Ping and Adams XTD FORGED....neither are pure blades but they present like blades with some added help....



    The key is having a shaft that fits YOUR swing on some level of consistency....even as inconsistent as we are.
  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,935 ✭✭
    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.
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  • JStangJStang Advanced Members Posts: 2,370 ✭✭
    My two cents...About a year ago, I was going through a rough spell where I was hitting everything off the toe and coming up short of the green. I went to Golf Galaxy and tried a few different irons that are "more forgiving" and guess what? When I hit the toe, I came up short. What happens when you hit it fat on the course? You come up short. What about when you hit the hosel? FORE RIGHT!
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  • Lancj1Lancj1 Advanced Members Posts: 880 ✭✭
    bub72ck wrote:


    Losing 5 yards on a mis-hit shot is the difference between being on the green and off, or in a bunker, or in a water hazard. You said that your short game was weak. That weakness is going to be magnified by missed greens and further distance from the hole.






    I think blades look gorgeous and all being equal I would have 2-LW in bladed irons on that basis.



    Last weekend, playing a six iron to a par three, I put the ball 6 ft short of the pin. The shot felt a little hard but trajectory was good and results excellent. I looked at the club face instinctively, and being wet a perfectly round ball imprint was left as high on the toe as a ball could be.



    I showed my partner who said if that had been a set of Wilson staff blades (showing our age - he meant the 80s version) id have been deep in the bushes 40 yards short. He's right. Each to their own, but GI technology really does bring results, despite it not always making sense.
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    I'm a handicap golfer in my 50's. Any opinions I have about golf equipment or professional golfers or the game in general should be taken as seriously as you would the opinions of a random guy in the fourball ahead of you who just shot 92 but is usually better than that.
  • agolf1agolf1 Advanced Members Posts: 530 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:


    but is the look, feel, and every aspect of the MP-18 worth it in my opinion? No doubt. Currently, I play golf for ENJOYMENT not to get my handicap as close to 0 as possible. Maybe that's where our differing opinions come into play?


    Can't argue with this.


    Andus wrote:


    I came from a set of JPX 900 HM irons, which are certainly considered GI irons. When I hit a shot off the toe, it felt awful and I lost distance/accuracy & the same exact thing happens with these clubs. Is it maybe a bit worse of a shot than it would have otherwise been if I had the Hot Metals? Sure,



    Bottom line for me is that forgiveness is a word that's overused and abused in golf and I think a lot of people believe certain things that simply aren't true or are majorly exaggerated.


    I was going to say that your last sentence contradicted what you wrote earlier but "majorly exaggerated" saved it, as this term is open to debate. Generally, I'm with the others that say if there's a club out there that saves you a few yards on slight mishits, it all adds up helping scores over time (which maybe you don't care about). Carry a bunker/hazard, better chance of two-putting, etc.



    I can't debate the value of looks / feel for any individual, and changing from a style of club you've used for years can be tough. But I think the main problem is most mid-handicap players only remember the extremes; flushed shots that are perfect and swings so bad no club could save the shot. No one vividly remembers the slight mishit that ends up 30 feet away instead of 40 feet away, and now two putting is easier. But at the mid-handicap level, I'd argue slight mishits are the most common occurrence on the course. For me, I have roughly 36 full swings per round, and I mishit (to some degree) more than 1/2 of them. If this wasn't true, I'd be averaging 8+ fairways and 9+ greens per round but I don't.
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  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf Advanced Members Posts: 3,327 ✭✭
    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn’t work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It’s recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she’s got a good long game and I’ll show you a golfer who isn’t very self-aware.





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  • Ryan5508Ryan5508 Advanced Members Posts: 444 ✭✭
    There are plenty of guys that play very good golf until they are near the greens. I see it all the time and play with them as well.
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  • golfgirlrobingolfgirlrobin Advanced Members Posts: 2,253 ✭✭
    Play whatever you’d like, and have a great time with them, but understand that not buying into “the whole forgiveness thing” doesn’t change the fact that “the whole forgiveness thing” is real, because, you know, science.
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    I have a set of Hogan FW15s and a set of Callaway Steelhead XRs. I swap them out depending on what I'm feeling better about that day. I have a 12 HC and I have found there is no difference in my scoring between the two. It's much more dependent on my driving and short game.

    There are times my shot selection will be different if I'm playing one instead of the other, but there aren't any differences in the results I get.
  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭


    Play whatever you’d like, and have a great time with them, but understand that not buying into “the whole forgiveness thing” doesn’t change the fact that “the whole forgiveness thing” is real, because, you know, science.
    Sure, I'm not saying it's not a real thing to some extent, I just personally believe that it's exaggerated majorly by a lot of club makers & marketing... because, you know, profit. Sounds like you drank the kool aid.
  • golfgirlrobingolfgirlrobin Advanced Members Posts: 2,253 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:



    Play whatever you’d like, and have a great time with them, but understand that not buying into “the whole forgiveness thing” doesn’t change the fact that “the whole forgiveness thing” is real, because, you know, science.
    Sure, I'm not saying it's not a real thing to some extent, I just personally believe that it's exaggerated majorly by a lot of club makers & marketing... because, you know, profit. Sounds like you drank the kool aid.




    The kool aid in my case includes SGI’s, whippy shafts and a 2 hdcp. Tastes great.



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  • agolf1agolf1 Advanced Members Posts: 530 ✭✭


    But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she’s got a good long game and I’ll show you a golfer who isn’t very self-aware.


    More direct than what I was trying to say above, but definitely true.



    I used to think I was kind of good because a) I can hit some perfect shots every now and then and b) can play better than some average random guys you get paired with at a local course. But after tracking various performance measures for a few seasons, I've realized I'm pretty bad even though I've been improving.



    I think there are two factors. First, people remember the perfect swings and attribute it entirely to their skill. Bad swings are assigned to the mistake bucket that just need to be eliminated. Ask most golfers and they are going to be way too confident on the actual percentages of good and bad shots they hit over a sample of 100 swings on the course (not at the range). Unfortunately, the bad swings and mistakes still happen. People just don't want to remember it or admit it.



    Second, mid-handicap golfers are not pros. They have absolutely no ability to judge wind, elevation, temperature, or control strike consistently enough to manage their iron distances within say 3-5 yards. Often, the face/path was OK, contact was pretty good, the ball flight was decent, and the shot ended up on the green. People think they flushed it but most likely they missed it a bit and just don't know it.



    Again, it's just a game so if you are out there simply to have fun that's fine. But like many other things, listening to players' golf skill self-assessments is putting you in a magical land where everyone is above average and doing extremely well.
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    cardoustie wrote:




    Side note: this is especially true with modern drivers as well, Got quite a lesson on Trackman at PING ystdy with Rapture OG vs 400 LST




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  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭


    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn’t work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It’s recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she’s got a good long game and I’ll show you a golfer who isn’t very self-aware.
    Well I'm living proof that it is possible. My long game is extremely good comparatively to my short game. Almost every time I play in a tournament where handicap is required, I tee off on the first tee and hit a 270-300 yard drive and the guys I'm playing with start making smart remarks about my 15+ handicap and that I'm a sandbagger... Until we get close to the greens, then it starts making sense. Sure, I slice or hook the occasional ball OB, but I'd realistically say my long game is 250% better than my short game. I don't think my long game is great by any means and I am self aware, but it's better than 95% of golfers I play with/get paired up with at my club.
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:



    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn’t work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It’s recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she’s got a good long game and I’ll show you a golfer who isn’t very self-aware.
    Well I'm living proof that it is possible. My long game is extremely good comparatively to my short game. Almost every time I play in a tournament where handicap is required, I tee off on the first tee and hit a 270-300 yard drive and the guys I'm playing with start making smart remarks about my 15+ handicap and that I'm a sandbagger... Until we get close to the greens, then it starts making sense. Sure, I slice or hook the occasional ball OB, but I'd realistically say my long game is 250% better than my short game. I don't think my long game is great by any means and I am self aware, but it's better than 95% of golfers I play with/get paired up with at my club.






    Just curious but any effort to practice or receive professional help/instruction? I'm not being condescending....
  • mantanmantan Advanced Members Posts: 2,478 ✭✭
    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.
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  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    mantan wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.




    Great post and not bragging but it gets old to hear "great shot" knowing that it was a **** toe pull....lol
  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
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    SwooshLT wrote:

    Andus wrote:



    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn't work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It's recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she's got a good long game and I'll show you a golfer who isn't very self-aware.
    Well I'm living proof that it is possible. My long game is extremely good comparatively to my short game. Almost every time I play in a tournament where handicap is required, I tee off on the first tee and hit a 270-300 yard drive and the guys I'm playing with start making smart remarks about my 15+ handicap and that I'm a sandbagger... Until we get close to the greens, then it starts making sense. Sure, I slice or hook the occasional ball OB, but I'd realistically say my long game is 250% better than my short game. I don't think my long game is great by any means and I am self aware, but it's better than 95% of golfers I play with/get paired up with at my club.






    Just curious but any effort to practice or receive professional help/instruction? I'm not being condescending....
    I've not had a lesson in my life. I'm only 24 years old, so I feel that I'm still improving by myself but my plan is to get professional help/lessons once I feel like I've plateaued.



    EDIT: I can honestly say that I've never gone to the range or chipping greens and practiced short game for more than 30 minutes. I don't spend much time practicing or at the range, usually only there if I'm about to play 18 and am warming up.
  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,935 ✭✭
    mantan wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.




    Agreed and I'll add, do you "own" it? We all catch lightening in a bottle occasionally, but can you bring it most every round?



    Several weeks ago I had an awesome round, shot a bogie free 68 and I think hit 14 greens and didnt miss the remaining 4 by much. I certainly was a solid ball striker that day and likely would have had no problems with blades. The following weekend I struggled to break 80 and was ver happy my i200s were in the bag...lol😁!
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  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
    mantan wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.
    When I say I consider myself a good ball striker, I'm saying that comparatively to another mid handicap player. I think my mid and long game is better than average for my cap, but my short game is worse than average... If that makes sense. My mishit is generally thin, and sometimes fat, but not very often toe and very rarely if ever a heel shot. Thin or fat shots are going to suck regardless of iron/club choice... Again, just my opinion.
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    dpb5031 wrote:

    mantan wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.




    Agreed and I'll add, do you "own" it? We all catch lightening in a bottle occasionally, but can you bring it most every round?



    Several weeks ago I had an awesome round, shot a bogie free 68 and I think hit 14 greens and didnt miss the remaining 4 by much. I certainly was a solid ball striker that day and likely would have had no problems with blades. The following weekend I struggled to break 80 and was ver happy my i200s were in the bag...lol😁!




    I'll attest to this man's striking ability !
  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Advanced Members Posts: 6,927 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:

    SwooshLT wrote:

    Andus wrote:



    Being a 15.4 handicap due to short game and putting is borderline impossible. The math doesn't work, unless your home course is Augusta or you consistently 4 putt / take multiple shots in the green complex to hit the green on multiple holes per round.



    That said, play whatever you find fun! It's recreation. But you show me a 15 who thinks he/she's got a good long game and I'll show you a golfer who isn't very self-aware.
    Well I'm living proof that it is possible. My long game is extremely good comparatively to my short game. Almost every time I play in a tournament where handicap is required, I tee off on the first tee and hit a 270-300 yard drive and the guys I'm playing with start making smart remarks about my 15+ handicap and that I'm a sandbagger... Until we get close to the greens, then it starts making sense. Sure, I slice or hook the occasional ball OB, but I'd realistically say my long game is 250% better than my short game. I don't think my long game is great by any means and I am self aware, but it's better than 95% of golfers I play with/get paired up with at my club.






    Just curious but any effort to practice or receive professional help/instruction? I'm not being condescending....
    I've not had a lesson in my life. I'm only 24 years old, so I feel that I'm still improving by myself but my plan is to get professional help/lessons once I feel like I've plateaued.






    I'll throw this at you, one 30 min session to "cleanup" the basics in pitching, chipping, sand play and putting will do so much for game....I'm a major proponent of hitting greens is the quickest way to lower your scores BUT a tidy short game just makes the whole effort worth it....not a joke!
  • rxk9fanrxk9fan Advanced Members Posts: 709 ✭✭
    Funny to me how bad/mediocre players can all benefit from a GI or SGI and should consider nothing else. Many really good players or low single digits who use blades are thought to just be SO good that they can use inferior technology and survive.

    I believe that a lot of better players are better because they use their blades to their advantage when an SGI would make shots nearly impossible. Watch a good player for a round and see how many shots are recovery shots under limbs, around trees, etc.. How many fairways is the mediocre player going to hit? How many times are they going to have to try to come out of trees, under/around branches, etc.? Then they just can't keep that SGI under the limbs, they never learn to salvage a par with a low cut under branches or a rolling hook from trouble on the left. Nope, I see them hit their long, high, and straight SGI right into the trouble and then they do it again or they finally chip sideways into the fairway to finish double or triple bogey.

    Maybe if you play easy course with no trees you will never have to work a ball? Or make you drive the ball so straight you are never in trouble? If that is the case I get using a club that only wants to go long and high.
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  • MilesVJacksonMilesVJackson Members Posts: 65 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:


    I've not had a lesson in my life. I'm only 24 years old, so I feel that I'm still improving by myself but my plan is to get professional help/lessons once I feel like I've plateaued.



    EDIT: I can honestly say that I've never gone to the range or chipping greens and practiced short game for more than 30 minutes. I don't spend much time practicing or at the range, usually only there if I'm about to play 18 and am warming up.




    You don't practice your short game...and you're wondering why your short game is so bad? Practice!
  • agolf1agolf1 Advanced Members Posts: 530 ✭✭
    Andus wrote:

    mantan wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.
    When I say I consider myself a good ball striker, I'm saying that comparatively to another mid handicap player. I think my mid and long game is better than average for my cap, but my short game is worse than average... If that makes sense. My mishit is generally thin, and sometimes fat, but not very often toe and very rarely if ever a heel shot. Thin or fat shots are going to suck regardless of iron/club choice... Again, just my opinion.


    You definitely have more speed than a typical 15 handicap (not disputing what you are saying). But how many greens do you usually hit per round?
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  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭

    Andus wrote:


    I've not had a lesson in my life. I'm only 24 years old, so I feel that I'm still improving by myself but my plan is to get professional help/lessons once I feel like I've plateaued.



    EDIT: I can honestly say that I've never gone to the range or chipping greens and practiced short game for more than 30 minutes. I don't spend much time practicing or at the range, usually only there if I'm about to play 18 and am warming up.




    You don't practice your short game...and you're wondering why your short game is so bad? Practice!
    To be fair, I never said I’m wondering why my short game sucks, I know why it does! It’s always been more fun practicing and trying to perfect long game vs short game to me, but in the next few months, short game is going to become my focus. Will be interesting to see what my scores will do after a few months of practice.
  • BiggErnBiggErn Advanced Members Posts: 2,001 ✭✭
    They make you focus. Within 2 weeks of practicing you’ll be a world class ball striker.
  • AndusAndus Members Posts: 35 ✭✭
    agolf1 wrote:

    Andus wrote:

    mantan wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Interesting to me is what is considered the definition of a "good ball striker"?



    I think a lot of recreational players simply define it as someone who hits a decent amount of solidly struck shots.



    That may not be entirely inaccurate, but I think most Tour pros would define a good ball striker as a player who hits >65% of GIRs and has control of his golf ball...trajectory, shot shape, and precise distances.




    That's my thought as well. It's funny how the definition changes the better you get. I've seen SO many posts over the years by mid-handicappers who claim they are 'good ballstrikers' and by single digit guys who say they 'aren't great ballstrikers.'



    As a midcapper usually defines a good ballstriker is someone who hits solid shots on a consistent basis. To a single digit and below, that's usually a given. It's more question of how you can consistently hit precise distances, be able to take a little off or give a little extra on a shot. It's being able to control trajectory high and low whenever you want and the ability to work the ball. Not calling pulling a shot and calling it a draw or reverting back to a slice and calling it a fade, but truly work the ball a set amount in every direction and doing it on the course....not 1 out of 4 tries at the range.
    When I say I consider myself a good ball striker, I'm saying that comparatively to another mid handicap player. I think my mid and long game is better than average for my cap, but my short game is worse than average... If that makes sense. My mishit is generally thin, and sometimes fat, but not very often toe and very rarely if ever a heel shot. Thin or fat shots are going to suck regardless of iron/club choice... Again, just my opinion.


    You definitely have more speed than a typical 15 handicap (not disputing what you are saying). But how many greens do you usually hit per round?
    Pretty tall, and younger so speed isn’t the issue. And eventually, I hit all of the greens... lol but honestly, probably 6-7GIR. If I hit the GIR I can usually make par, but if it includes a chip on to the green, I usually will chip and 2 putt. That’s what I hope to do, sadly.
  • StanksStanks Everything I post is confrontational Advanced Members Posts: 1,098 ✭✭
    OP, don't ever worry or wonder what other people are saying about your game. I'm quite in the same boat and have been for a little bit.



    I went from Ping G30 -> Wilson V5 -> Cobra MBs -> a few other iron sets here or there in a very short amount of time. Your swing speed shouldn't and probably doesn't matter when picking an iron set (though the shaft is another story).



    You will benefit by finding the middle a lot more on your club only, and only if, you put in the work and are swinging correctly. Casting, EE, bad setup, and all the other swing faults in the world will ultimately hurt your game no matter how bladey or helpful your irons are. Some are just larger and are nice to off center hits but, you'll know if things are going wrong. That's why I play blades. Feedback is imperative to me so I know what and how to fix.



    Good luck on the swing quest. It's never ending but, it's a fun adventure.
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