Cobra's new King F9 Speedback Driver, Woods, Hybrids and Irons (NO BUY SELL TRADE POSTS)

[nsxguy]

This video is forcing me to go get fit and order a cobra...dam.

 

:cheesy:

 

Oh, I'm sorry. You meant get fit for a Cobra ? My bad. I took it as you demoing different clubs.

 

 

 

BTW, vis-a-vis this latest video. I certainly can't relate to those ball speeds and carry distances but did you guys (who can relate) notice that,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

a) His smash factor was nowhere near 1.5 (which could either be a good thing or a bad thing - LOL)

 

b) While he nailed half his drives right down the center line, the other half of his shots were 30-45 yards OFF line ? (Or don't you care ? :D )

 

I mean don't get me wrong. If I can get the roughly 2% ball speed improvement he got on his "personal best" (185 vs. 181+) that would make me notice, even at my SS. But personal best isn't what I look at. Average center strike is what I look at. PB doesn't happen all that often. ;)

 

You wont typically see 1.5 on GC Quad like you can easily do 1.5-1.52 on Trackman. Ball speed is king.

 

And you should really watch the entire video, as well as the rest of the videos these guys have. The guy is extremely consistent and hits it a ton, his "average" with mis-hits with the F9 is better than a nutted one with just about everything recently released. He hit one square off the leading edge and it still had 178mph ball speed

 

Being skeptical is fine, but at least give it more than a quick browse and review all the data before getting super critical

 

Well, you're right about watching the whole thing. I believe I admitted as much. But I'd disagree about being "super" critical.

 

I only saw the first 3 shafts with some club head weight tweaking. I have no doubt the guy got "perfectly" by the end. And I agree the numbers are impressive.

 

I hit the F9 some weeks ago and was suitably impressed at the time although I haven't hit it again. I hit these in sims when the store isn't busy so nobody bothers me. And I seldom spend a lot of time testing multiple heads and shafts at the same time.

 

I also haven't eliminated any of the new clubs yet except maybe the M5. I just don't seem to get any good results with TM products. Maybe just a psychological thing (even though 1 of my best drivers ever was a TM). :dntknw:

 

I guess my whole point is about my surprise over such knowledgeable guys here going overboard over a video.

 

We've got a scratch player here who's brought down the Cobra site buying so many of them. :cheesy:

 

After all, the average reader here ISN'T quite so knowledgeable and I guess I'd like to add a little perspective before a lot of them go out spending their ca$h for something that might not work for them. Sort of a PSA if you will. :D

"Knowledgeable"? Might want to step down off that cross. Most seem knowledgeable within this thread. I've never retailed clubs but I'd wager golfing knowledge due to playing the game since the 70s. It was a great video and the point of it in case anyone missed it, is that this particular golfer and fitter had never seen speeds like this until the creation of the F9. That's pretty big news on a social media website. If not news or excitement then what's the point of this or any other site that focuses on golf.

 

 

 

Not everybody READING the thread is POSTING on it.

 

But you're right. They're big boys. They can watch out for themselves.

 

{stepping off cross now}

[t4t3r]

Supposed to have a demo coming for the weekend but that seems up in the air, so just placed an order. Hopefully I'll know today if there's any order issues. Crazy numbers for Matt.

[300_Straight]

Wow, great video. He is definitely seeing higher swing speeds with the F9 than typical. He is usually around 172-176 ball speeds. Although, at the PGA show he hit a few 177-178 (with the F9 and G410). It's crazy that he is seeing an additional 6mph over his typical 'high' ball speeds.

 

I am INCREDIBLE jealous of what Matt does as a career. I believe he is a tech guy who works for TXG and now has a great relationship with Ian and tests all different clubs whenever he wants with whatever shaft he wants. That would be my ideal job (besides being on Tour). It's really awesome to see.

 

With that said, Ian's fitting ability amazes me every time. He knows the dynamics of the swing better than anyone along with what effects different shafts will have on the numbers. It's incredible to watch. If TXG was closer I would've already been there 615 times.

 

Needless to say, I will be testing the F9 again really soon. Also, this made me remember I hit the Fuji Pro 2.0 shaft really well one time I tried it. Need to look into that as well. Obviously not everyone will see these crazy ball speed gains, but it's working incredible well for Matt. 338 in the air, Jesus.

[jl3424]

does Cobra automatically tip shafts (like TaylorMade)? Or should I expect a custom order to be untipped unless otherwise specified?

[moorebaseball]

Is this the driver to beat this year??? It's looking mighty good!

[IHFN]

Question about the "Tour Length" versions Cobra does. Do they butt trim the club or tip trim it when it's tour length?

[Krt22]

Butt trim and add weight to the head, tip trimming would change the flex too much

[jabwind51]

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn’t add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

[rgk5]

Is this the driver to beat this year??? It's looking mighty good!

 

Definitely.

[3woodvt]

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn't add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

18 in the front 6 in the rear

[300_Straight]

Oh wow, so essentially the head will weigh close to 210 grams with the added weights. Hello [more] ball speed.

[Krt22]

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn't add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

18 in the front 6 in the rear

 

The stock weights are 14 and 2, so its 8g additional. So that will only add 4 SW points when you lose 6 by chopping an inch off.

[IHFN]

Butt trim and add weight to the head, tip trimming would change the flex too much

 

Based on the video golfwrx just posted, if you butt trim it and add weight, you are losing almost a full flex.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/543080/club-building-101-what-happens-when-you-cut-down-a-driver/

[Krt22]

Yes that can occur as well. General practice is to butt trim. For most shafts its only 0.5" extra trimming for a heavier fairway head built to 43" so they definitely aren't taking it all off the tip.

[ruffellprefley]

FYI, you can still get the LTD Pro adapter and they will work for the F9. This will allow you to set the driver to Fade setting which is flatter. Something to think about if folks are missing left.

 

couldn't you also get a left-handed adapter?

[Krt22]

I know it's a single data point, but Rickie averaged 318 off the tee today, hit 78% of fairways

 

Cam Champ...299...30% of fairways

[Jagpilotohio]

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn’t add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

 

It’s 1,6 grams per swingweight point on a driver, not 2. Mid irons are 2 grams per point. Wedges are a bit more than 2 grams per point. It varies with the length of the club. The guideline of 2 grams per inch is quite incorrect on the longest and the shortest clubs in the set.

 

If you trim an inch you need to add 8 grams to maintain original swingweight on a driver

[jcg132]

Anyone have an idea of what Cobra's standard build times are at this point - a week? Two?

[jabwind51]

I know it's a single data point, but Rickie averaged 318 off the tee today, hit 78% of fairways

 

Cam Champ...299...30% of fairways

 

With a 43.5 driver....!

 

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn’t add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

 

It’s 1,6 grams per swingweight point on a driver, not 2. Mid irons are 2 grams per point. Wedges are a bit more than 2 grams per point. It varies with the length of the club. The guideline of 2 grams per inch is quite incorrect on the longest and the shortest clubs in the set.

 

If you trim an inch you need to add 8 grams to maintain original swingweight on a driver

 

Mind blown man. Thank you for clarifying.

 

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn’t add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

 

It’s 1,6 grams per swingweight point on a driver, not 2. Mid irons are 2 grams per point. Wedges are a bit more than 2 grams per point. It varies with the length of the club. The guideline of 2 grams per inch is quite incorrect on the longest and the shortest clubs in the set.

 

If you trim an inch you need to add 8 grams to maintain original swingweight on a driver

 

Mind blown man...thank you for clarifying

[Krt22]

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn’t add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

 

It’s 1,6 grams per swingweight point on a driver, not 2. Mid irons are 2 grams per point. Wedges are a bit more than 2 grams per point. It varies with the length of the club. The guideline of 2 grams per inch is quite incorrect on the longest and the shortest clubs in the set.

 

If you trim an inch you need to add 8 grams to maintain original swingweight on a driver

 

Great info! I didn't realize it scaled as such, makes sense those as length and total weight changes

[radiman]

I know it's a single data point, but Rickie averaged 318 off the tee today, hit 78% of fairways

 

Cam Champ...299...30% of fairways

 

Lol, Cam Champ must have been using a driving iron then!

[Jagpilotohio]

Butt trim and add weight to the head, tip trimming would change the flex too much

 

Based on the video golfwrx just posted, if you butt trim it and add weight, you are losing almost a full flex.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/543080/club-building-101-what-happens-when-you-cut-down-a-driver/

 

You absolutely will soften the shaft if you butt trim an inch or more and maintain the same swingweight by adding back weight.

 

If you are certain you wish to maintain the stiffer flex you need to order the club tip trimmed at least half an inch. Since most people pick shafts that are too stiff, it is usually a positive thing to soften the shaft a little bit.

 

Cobra does not tip trim the “Tour length” clubs any extra. I just got off the phone with them. You must specifically request that if that’s what you want.

[Jagpilotohio]

Do they also hot melt to the head ?

 

I ask because The gram conversion with both 45.5 and 44.5 being at D3 doesn’t add up.

 

They remove an inch which I thought is approx 6 SW or 12 grams but yet they replace it with only 8grams in the head

 

Thoughts?

 

It’s 1,6 grams per swingweight point on a driver, not 2. Mid irons are 2 grams per point. Wedges are a bit more than 2 grams per point. It varies with the length of the club. The guideline of 2 grams per inch is quite incorrect on the longest and the shortest clubs in the set.

 

If you trim an inch you need to add 8 grams to maintain original swingweight on a driver

 

Great info! I didn't realize it scaled as such, makes sense those as length and total weight changes

 

Yes. It can be very confusing. People obviously end up adding way to much weight if they always go by the 2 gram “rule”.

 

The reason behind it is how the scale works. The fulcrum point obviously never changes. It’s 14 inches from the end of the grip.

 

The farther the head gets from the fulcrum point, the less mass is needed to change the scale. If you can imagine a 5 foot long golf club and how far that head is from the fulcrum, you can probably imagine that it tales very little weight to change the scale reading one point.

 

Conversely, now imagine a tiny little 2 foot long golf club. The head is only 10 inches from the fulcrum. It’s going to take a LOT of weight to move that scale one point. Probably 3 or more grams. I don’t actually know how much. I should probably make one to find out.

 

Maybe time for an experiment.....

 

 

Edit....ok. I just mocked up a tiny little 31.5 inch wedge. As expected, it Took just over 3 grams to move the scale one point.

[GoTime]

My Smoke 60 is playing 45, tipped an inch, with the 18/2 weights and comes right in around D3 on my SW scale, maybe a hair heavier.

[wobgon]

Not sure if it has any bearing, but these drivers are only 45.25 when ordered without the arrcos grip.

[Jagpilotohio]

My Smoke 60 is playing 45, tipped an inch, with the 18/2 weights and comes right in around D3 on my SW scale, maybe a hair heavier.

 

Yep. 1/2 inch short = add 4 grams.

[Z1ggy16]

Mike Newton getting really solid numbers with the Tour F9 3w. Going to be tough to replace my LTD but the Tour head does look fade biased which is really nice. I can't hook my LTD unless address it with a really shut face...a laser beam shooter for me. He may be in trouble...

[GC70]

Got my avalanche today. Let’s move on to the Fairways!

 

What are your thoughts on the F9’s?

[Captain Morgan]

Got my avalanche today. Let’s move on to the Fairways!

 

What are your thoughts on the F9’s?

 

I posted a couple thoughts in this thread about the fairways. To me it’s just as solid as the driver. I’m going to order that also from DD when Cobra gets my shaft in. I would also like to hear more comments about the fairways.

[awtryau89]

Came home from a week of travels, fought through the crazy Super Bowl traffic in Atlanta and found my Avalanche driver with Tensei Pro White 70. I also got my Avalanche 3 wood and dropped an old familiar Kaili in it. We are rolling out the southern hospitality this weekend with temps in the upper 50's and low 60's for all the SB guests. I will be on my course both days and hopefully the range tomorrow afternoon after work. Hope it works as well as the Yellow one I had. Already passed it on to a friend.