Major with the most one-time "worst player to win a major" roster

[JD3]

Hey look I like the British too, currently ranking it 2ns behind the masters in majors. But fact is they have the poorest record of letting weak players slip thru the cracks.

[MattyO1984]

> @JD3 said:

> > @golfandfishing said:

> >

> > Not to keep pointing out your stupidity, but Curtis has more pga tour wins than Glover, Campbell and North. Todd Hamilton has more than Campbell.

> >

> > Ah, what the heck. I’ll point it out anyway..........

> > > @JD3 said:

> > > > @KRAMER1997 said:

> > > > US Open by a mile Lol: Lucas Glover, Michael Campbell, Andy North.

> > >

> > > All those guys tower above your Ben Curtis and todd Hamilton's

> >

> >

>

> Guys like Campbell had tons of talent but just kind of went into cruise control after winning. Geoff Ogilvy another phenomenal player who just kind of lost some desire after winning us open. **Curtis and Hamilton, lol, that kind of "talent" can be found at most driving ranges. **

 

What kinda driving ranges are you hanging around at?!

 

[the bishop]

> @JD3 said:

> I think the British and PGA are about tied.

> British has Ben Curtis and Todd Hamilton, PGA has that Shaun micheel, rich beem borderline too. US open is very strong, really can't think of any "worst player to win one". **But oddly enough it has a couple candidates for "worst to win two" like Andy north and Lee janzen.** Masters up until a few years was fairly pristine in it's handing out of green jackets, until Danny willet took care of that. Gotta be awkward having him show up at the champions dinner every year.

 

You don't back your way in to two US Opens - or any major for that matter. Because if winning two US Opens makes you a bad player, then that Hale Irwin guy must really be a scrub.

[JDCON]

Worst player to win a major... isn't that kind of an oxymoron? It's not like ol' Bob Peterson from the local bowling alley league got hot one week and won a major.

[JD3]

> @JDCON said:

> Worst player to win a major... isn't that kind of an oxymoron? It's not like ol' Bob Peterson from the local bowling alley league got hot one week and won a major.

 

errr no, you missed the point, like many others. point is which major has most winners worthy of that nomination. using it as one measure of which championship does the poorest job of identifying the best player that week -- i.e. which is most random relative to player quality. makes sense it's the British, the courses have a randomness and lack of conformity in their setups

[bscinstnct]

[JDCON]

> @JD3 said:

> > @JDCON said:

> > Worst player to win a major... isn't that kind of an oxymoron? It's not like ol' Bob Peterson from the local bowling alley league got hot one week and won a major.

>

> errr no, you missed the point, like many others. point is which major has most winners worthy of that nomination. using it as one measure of which championship does the poorest job of identifying the best player that week -- i.e. which is most random relative to player quality. makes sense it's the British, the courses have a randomness and lack of conformity in their setups

 

Oh. I'd say it's probably a wash.

[nichho]

> @JD3 said:

> > @JDCON said:

> > Worst player to win a major... isn't that kind of an oxymoron? It's not like ol' Bob Peterson from the local bowling alley league got hot one week and won a major.

>

> errr no, you missed the point, like many others. point is which major has most winners worthy of that nomination. using it as one measure of which championship does the poorest job of identifying the best player that week -- i.e. which is most random relative to player quality. **makes sense** it's the British, the courses have a randomness and lack of conformity in their setups

 

Only in your world

 

[OBbogey5]

If I won a major tomorrow I’d probably feel like I earned it. Playing the best golf over four days in a major championship against the greatest fields in golf for the most money and the most prestigious prize shouldn’t be taken lightly.

[puttfordoux]

I dunno what is more predictable...these type of threads, or the naysaying curmudgeons that come out against them (lol)....

[JD3]

> @puttfordoux said:

> I dunno what is more predictable...these type of threads, or the naysaying curmudgeons that come out against them (lol)....

 

Topic of this thread is actually unique. It's people jumping to conclusions trying to sound smart makes it seem otherwise

[dalehead]

> @MattyO1984 said:

> > @JD3 said:

> > > @golfandfishing said:

> > >

> > > Not to keep pointing out your stupidity, but Curtis has more pga tour wins than Glover, Campbell and North. Todd Hamilton has more than Campbell.

> > >

> > > Ah, what the heck. I’ll point it out anyway..........

> > > > @JD3 said:

> > > > > @KRAMER1997 said:

> > > > > US Open by a mile Lol: Lucas Glover, Michael Campbell, Andy North.

> > > >

> > > > All those guys tower above your Ben Curtis and todd Hamilton's

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Guys like Campbell had tons of talent but just kind of went into cruise control after winning. Geoff Ogilvy another phenomenal player who just kind of lost some desire after winning us open. **Curtis and Hamilton, lol, that kind of "talent" can be found at most driving ranges. **

>

> What kinda driving ranges are you hanging around at?!

>

 

Exactly. Unless your driving range is at the Medalist or the Bear's Club you're not likely to find PGA Tour level talent at your local range.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I don't like the term "worst player" because they earned the victory against a competitive field. However the major with most "1 hit wonders" seems like the PGA (that's me shooting from the hip and I've done no research).

[gvogel]

Since 2000:

 

PGA Championship - Shaun Micheel, Rich Beam, YE Yang, maybe Jimmy Walker.

US Open - Michael Campbell, Geoff Ogilvy, Lucas Glover

Open Championship - Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton, maybe Stewart Cink.

Masters - Mike Weir, Trevor Immelman, Danny Willet, maybe Charl Schwartzel.

 

Seems they are all pretty balanced to me.

[MountainGoat]

Would be interesting to see a list of winners and their OWGR at the time they won.

[JD3]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> I don't like the term "worst player" because they earned the victory against a competitive field. However the major with most "1 hit wonders" seems like the PGA (that's me shooting from the hip and I've done no research).

 

With the restriction of only 1 major with no consideration for performance in other tournies, you end up putting very good players on the list, diluting the point of the analysis -

Couples

Kite

Love

Furyk

Pavin

5 players come to mind who had brilliant careers no matter, and should never show up on any "worst player to win a major" list

[Bingo1976]

I have to disagree with a few of those. Yang beat Tiger Woods head to head. Cambo has a decent major career, and could have won at St Andrews. Willet was OWGR 12th at the time of his victory. Weir, Immelmann and Scwartzel all had decent international careers.

 

> @gvogel said:

> Since 2000:

>

> PGA Championship - Shaun Micheel, Rich Beam, YE Yang, maybe Jimmy Walker.

> US Open - Michael Campbell, Geoff Ogilvy, Lucas Glover

> Open Championship - Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton, maybe Stewart Cink.

> Masters - Mike Weir, Trevor Immelman, Danny Willet, maybe Charl Schwartzel.

>

> Seems they are all pretty balanced to me.

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @JD3 said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > I don't like the term "worst player" because they earned the victory against a competitive field. However the major with most "1 hit wonders" seems like the PGA (that's me shooting from the hip and I've done no research).

>

> With the restriction of only 1 major with no consideration for performance in other tournies, you end up putting very good players on the list, diluting the point of the analysis -

> Couples

> Kite

> Love

> Furyk

> Pavin

> 5 players come to mind who had brilliant careers no matter, and should never show up on any "worst player to win a major" list

 

Yeah I think it's the guys that are one and done with one major and lackluster performance and no wins anywhere else.

[cheetah440]

> @JD3 said:

> Hey look I like the British too, currently ranking it 2ns behind the masters in majors. But fact is they have the poorest record of letting weak players slip thru the cracks.

 

A 59yr old almost won the BO. Should have actually. So much for golf being "athletic".

[Roadking2003]

> @JD3 said:

> Reviewing list of winners further I'm finding British is weakest. Guys like lawrie and calcecchia. PGA generally known as weakest of 4 seems to have better champion roster.

 

"calcecchia"????

 

Year in and year out the PGA has the strongest field.

 

[johnseg]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @JD3 said:

> > Reviewing list of winners further I'm finding British is weakest. Guys like lawrie and calcecchia. PGA generally known as weakest of 4 seems to have better champion roster.

>

> "calcecchia"????

>

> Year in and year out the PGA has the strongest field.

>

 

 

just to really put this thread where it needs to be, "adding more ranked players outside of the top 64 does not improve the quality of the field."

 

I post this tongue in cheek but I happen to believe it as well. Any tournament only needs the top 70 or so players. Below that it is usually just guys collecting checks. I know that every now and then a guy will get hot but it isn't that often.

[hell_is_chrome]

This is delusional.

 

> @JD3 said:

> > @golfandfishing said:

> >

> > Not to keep pointing out your stupidity, but Curtis has more pga tour wins than Glover, Campbell and North. Todd Hamilton has more than Campbell.

> >

> > Ah, what the heck. I’ll point it out anyway..........

> > > @JD3 said:

> > > > @KRAMER1997 said:

> > > > US Open by a mile Lol: Lucas Glover, Michael Campbell, Andy North.

> > >

> > > All those guys tower above your Ben Curtis and todd Hamilton's

> >

> >

>

> Curtis and Hamilton, lol, that kind of "talent" can be found at most driving ranges.

 

 

[mocokid]

> @JD3 said:

> I think the British and PGA are about tied.

> British has Ben Curtis and Todd Hamilton, PGA has that Shaun micheel, rich beem borderline too. US open is very strong, really can't think of any "worst player to win one". But oddly enough it has a couple candidates for "worst to win two" like Andy north and Lee janzen. Masters up until a few years was fairly pristine in it's handing out of green jackets, until Danny willet took care of that. Gotta be awkward having him show up at the champions dinner every year.

 

North and Janzen each won 2 US Opens and they are the 'worst' IYHO ? You gotta be kidding!

[SkiSchoolPro]

> @Hawkeye77 said:

> > @JD3 said:

> > Reviewing list of winners further I'm finding British is weakest. Guys like lawrie and calcecchia. PGA generally known as weakest of 4 seems to have better champion roster.

>

> At least we know you can feed yourself. And the same old silliness about the PGA which has the strongest field in championship golf.

 

The two are not mutually exclusive. When JD3 hosts his own major, I was going to suggest only inviting the OWGR top 5 plus anyone else alive with at least 1 Major AND 10 PGA/Euro victories. Field might not be big or strong, and will include some past their prime, but JD3 will be able to say that the Champions list looks "good"

[shanx]

Who are we to judge these guys? Are we any better? How many majors have we won?

 

This topic area is the worst.

[mjtoal]

This is a silly apples vs pears question, because the fields for these events are derived so differently. The Open and the US Open are, well, open, and have qualifying events in which players from Tours all over the world can get a spot. The Open has, over the years, been much more global in that regard, so the number of less well known players, and therefore unlikely winners (i.e. winners not well known to Americans) is higher. Doesn't mean that aren't good players.

 

The Masters, on the other hand, has always had a very tight set of eligibility rules meaning that hardly any pros you haven't heard of get in in the first place, and the local knowledge needed for the course reinforces that effect in usually favouring a well known player.

 

The PGA is somewhere in between, with a bunch of PGA pros who have no chance but the rest of the field mostly pretty well known players.

[williamsnrb]

I can't believe I read through this thread. How many times has this been brought up? 100 other threads are just like it, likely. Mods should delete these posts as soon as they're started.

[KRAMER1997]

> @gvogel said:

> Since 2000:

>

> PGA Championship - Shaun Micheel, Rich Beam, YE Yang, maybe Jimmy Walker.

> US Open - Michael Campbell, Geoff Ogilvy, Lucas Glover

> Open Championship - Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton, maybe Stewart Cink.

> Masters - Mike Weir, Trevor Immelman, Danny Willet, maybe Charl Schwartzel.

>

> Seems they are all pretty balanced to me.

 

Schwartzel deserved to win that Masters. Anyone who birdies last 4 holes to win a major has earned it.

[tiderider]

 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

Bring back the dislike button...

I think this qualifies for "Worst WRX'r to start a thread"