Stack and Tilt... here I come?

[mvhoffman]

Well it seems like the less and less I play and practice I find myself reverting to keeping the trail leg straight, weight forward and finishing lower.  All seem to be components of stack and tilt.  I've started watching videos and it seems to make more sense than not.  Better contact = better scores.  Looks like I need to dust off the old book.

[Pinky5]

I hear the term stack and tilt a ton lately. I still don't know what it is.

[jordan2240]

I've tried it (perhaps not perfectly), and found that my front hip started hurting.  I had trouble doing it consistently as well.  Seemed I was always shifting the weight a little here or there.  My 'swing du jour' is the one taught by Brian Sparks.  It's a very relaxed swing that seems to put little stress on the body.  So far so good, but only time will tell.

[i*windows]

On 4/13/2021 at 5:16 PM, jordan2240 said:

I've tried it (perhaps not perfectly), and found that my front hip started hurting.  I had trouble doing it consistently as well.  Seemed I was always shifting the weight a little here or there.  My 'swing du jour' is the one taught by Brian Sparks.  It's a very relaxed swing that seems to put little stress on the body.  So far so good, but only time will tell.

Brian Sparks, crickey their is a blast from the past 🙂

[indianagolf2]

Please dont...that method lost its steam

[stingerfade]

On 4/13/2021 at 10:55 AM, Pinky5 said:

I hear the term stack and tilt a ton lately. I still don't know what it is.

The internet is your friend. 

[stingerfade]

13 minutes ago, indianagolf2 said:

Please dont...that method lost its steam

Actually most of teaching today uses it for the backswing even if they don’t know it 

[Zitlow]

Wait a couple of years, S&T will be back in vogue.

[stryper]

1 hour ago, indianagolf2 said:

Please dont...that method lost its steam

All methods suck, but S&T is definitely one of the 10,000 “correct” ways to swing a golf club according to The Golfing Machine. 

[indianagolf2]

Then go with a golfing machine instructor...stack n tilt isnl done..was not effective in longer clubs. Some techniques were used in ones own discipline

[naval2006]

11 hours ago, indianagolf2 said:

Please dont...that method lost its steam

One of the most frowned upon methods on this community these days. But threads were infinite when the S&T thing was the next great thing in golf a few years ago. That’s how fickle here a GolfWRX we can be. 

 

All jokes aside,  if it works for you go for it.

[Ripper212]

Recently had a lesson with Monte and the main thing he wanted me to do was rotate my right hip back inside my right foot so much on the backswing that it would feel "almost like a reverse pivot." Somewhat similar I would guess.

[mvhoffman]

Playing today and using the fundamentals of stack and tilt, as in keeping more weight on your forward foot and a straight back leg actually really helped my ball striking

[scopek]

On 4/17/2021 at 8:36 PM, indianagolf2 said:

Please dont...that method lost its steam

Why? If it works for this player, then they should use it. It's not about what's in vogue or lost steam but how effective it is for someone. There are still a lot of teachers that use it. It can't be completely crap or it wouldn't still be taught and used. I have friends that use it and are very good, single digit players. Should a PGA player use it? I don't know....Maybe not. But for us average hackers it seems to help a lot of players. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by scopek

[dodger]

Just reading the book or watching the videos is not enough. Go see Andy Plummer or a certified S and T instructor.  While there is a system, it is applied differently for the needs of each player. There are no limitations in the system whether it is short irons or drivers. It also will not cause pain more than any other golf swing. A lot of golf instruction on youtube or instagram adopts stack and tilt stuff that has been around for years. Get someone who understands the system and you will improve.

[indianagolf2]

I strongly urge one to look elsewhere. Why not do a virtual lesson with monte here ?? He offers affordable video instruction and he is a great player who is looking to go into q school champions tour. 

[mvhoffman]

16 hours ago, dodger said:

Just reading the book or watching the videos is not enough. Go see Andy Plummer or a certified S and T instructor.  While there is a system, it is applied differently for the needs of each player. There are no limitations in the system whether it is short irons or drivers. It also will not cause pain more than any other golf swing. A lot of golf instruction on youtube or instagram adopts stack and tilt stuff that has been around for years. Get someone who understands the system and you will improve.

I have read the book (which i've owned for a few years) and have watched enough videos on the fundamentals of stack and tilt that I have been able to use the fundamentals and mesh them with my current game.  Being a weekend warrior I have still been able to keep a single digit handicap by practicing fundamentals.  Unfortunately with my game I sometimes get the "sways."  I tend to get my weight balance off and sway instead of turning.  Keeping the fundamental weight distribution of S&T I have been able to make it a noticeable point in my set up creating better posture and play.  

 

This past Sunday I played with my normal 2 some and on about the 6th hole after striping it all morning, it was commented on how in sync and good my swing was that day.  This continued thru the rest of the round.  All created by myself slowing down making sure my weight distribution was correct and my set up was sound.  

 

I look forward to continuing using the fundamentals in my practice and play.

[MrHateCoffee]

7 hours ago, indianagolf2 said:

I strongly urge one to look elsewhere. Why not do a virtual lesson with monte here ?? He offers affordable video instruction and he is a great player who is looking to go into q school champions tour. 

 

Why are you so opposed to it? Why not let him try it for himself?  There is no one method above all (even Monte's).  If there was then we wouldn't see people constantly switching methods every few years.

 

I don't even think the GolfWRX community would agree on the consensus best method to learn the swing.  

[Gsea]

It's as good as any "method" out there and simpler than most. It's also a much more athletic swing than most think thus those failures with it. I use it and my 13 yr old son also. Very simple to flight irons different distances also. Get it automatic and you will make some cash $$$$

[Kdaniel72]

Reading the book now!

[Cwing]

Interested as well after watching this: 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Cwing

[ChipNRun]

On 4/17/2021 at 9:42 PM, indianagolf2 said:

Then go with a golfing machine instructor...stack n tilt isnl done.. was not effective in longer clubs. Some techniques were used in ones own discipline

 

Way back in 1978, I worked briefly with a golf pro that advocated many of the principles of what became S&T. But, he didn't call it that. This short backswing, weight forward method worked well for short and medium irons and wedges, but I had trouble with low pulls for longer irons and woods.

 

Tried to get a follow-up lesson the following year, but he informed me he was quitting the golf pro business (he had his PGA card) and moving to insurance sales.

 

I then morphed to a more Nicklaus-style "swinging gate" with a very upright swing plane. This worked more-or-less until I got into my 40s, and it suddenly became difficult to pull off. My athleticism was starting to fade.

 

I eventually ended up with what is now called a center-pivot swing. Basically, I load on the inside of my right foot, rotate the hips to start downswing and pull hard to the left... let things fall into place. The weight allocations at set-up:

•  a bit more weight forward on wedges and short irons (similar to S&T)
•  balance in medium irons
• "stay behind the ball" on woods...Sweep up and avoid the low pulls.

This balance sequence appears to mesh with recent "pressure plate" analysis of footwork in golf swings. The center-pivot tradeoff: more balance and control, less raw power.

 

Now, in 2008 I was diagnosed with an arthritic right hip, and the past few years it has been hurting my golf balance. I feel like I'm ready for a hip replacement, but my doc is not convinced the time is right. For several years I went with a slight draw as dominant shape, but the last year or so I was really hurting by the back nine, especially in multi-day events. This was even with a right thigh compression sleeve and CBD salve before the round.

 

One day just for grins I tried hitting mainly fades - and the pain didn't show up for some reason. So, I now primarily fade the ball. (I had faded irons in early 2000s, so it wasn't entirely new.) Pain isn't there, but hip does get stiff on back nine.

 

On 5/19/2021 at 1:20 PM, Gsea said:

It's (S&T) also a much more athletic swing than most think thus those failures with it.

 

Yes, it's hard for the over-50 crowd to get everything jumped forward as much as needed in S&T. (I'm 70, so I'm in this group).

[Cwing]

 

[Gsea]

 

[Moonlightgrm]

I stumbled across a few of Tom Saguto’s videos over the winter. When the 2021 golf season began I decided to try his method on the driving range. I was surprised at my results. I was hitting crisp shot after crisp shot. However, the next morning, I awoke with hip and lower back pain. I tried the method again and felt the pain, once again. Apparently, my body does not like the stack and tilt method. My tried and true golf swing works just fine! 

[phil75070]

I've gone to the S&T method from time-to-time with varying results. Of course, I'm basing what I am doing on my own understanding of the method and what I have picked up from a few YouTube videos, no lessons. For someone like me who has always struggled with a proper weight shift, especially getting the weight back onto the trail side so there CAN be a "shift" it can help with better balance and stability (especially) which would lead to more consistent contact.

[Gsea]

1 hour ago, Chainlinks said:

Charlie Wi hitting pull draws with both wrists still cocked / square shoulders v Hogan ..  lmfao what a clown

what's ur cap lmfao

[farmer]

And where is Aaron Baddely these days?

[airjammer]

51 minutes ago, farmer said:

And where is Aaron Baddely these days?

Korn ferry tour last week I think

[Gsea]

2 hours ago, farmer said:

And where is Aaron Baddely these days?

playing golf for a living and u lol