Bryson DeChambeau Taylormade Stealth Plus 2 2/2/23 (*** NO LIV CONTENT ***)

[Double Dodger]

On 2/4/2023 at 7:14 AM, BallerNate said:

Aren’t the LIV cash guys tired of Golf yet?

 

Just counting down to the day it folds and those guys come back to the real Tour….tic toc.

Are you holding your breath? 
If they do fold the LIV players will surely miss all the cash. However the PGA players should be kissing Phil’s ring for putting a rocket ship to the tails of their prospects of making somewhere near LIV money. He changed the game for their pocketbooks and all he’s gotten is disgust from some of those hypocrites. Somewhere in all this bullchit people forgot that it’s a business and Phil did the ‘workers’ a great favor by going out on that limb. 

[The Mad Bomber]

2 hours ago, J_Tizzle said:

 

Oh thats interesting to know as well.  I have known lots of people to get fit by my local guy who was a GD top 100 fitter and ONE of them got put into a LA shaft.  With that said he drives it the best I've ever seen him drive it now, but still.

I can tell you first hand that LA Golf product is as good as anything out there and there's no reason not to give it a look in a fit. I'll say that the shafts ARE different as far as feel goes so like any other shaft, they're not for everybody. But the 2 guys that have a stake in the company not even playing the product is beyond bizarre.

[Avidswampthing66]

5 hours ago, martymcfly said:

As far as i know DJ is also out of the DJ shaft and back in the ol´trusty speeder, at least has been switching back and forth. As part owners id imagine they could cook up just about anything theyd want.

Maybe thats just it though.  No knock on LA Golf but, they just aren't playing the shafts which is a little weird and interesting.  Maybe they just can't produce a shaft either of them like.

I've never hit an LA Golf shaft so, I can't speak to their performance.

[me05501]

On 2/3/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vespar said:

Lets face it between Ricky, Bryson and Lexi ...how long does Cobra  go to garner a 2 maybe 3% marketshare world wide. If they took those 3 out of the equation they would still be the same or slightly less. It only took Nike 15 years to realize spending 100 of millions of dollars on high-end endorsements, advertising and manufacturing of clubs, balls is a losing proposition. There are too many manufactuers fighting over marketshare spots of 5 thru 10 in manufacturing

 

BTW I expect Lexi to sell out when her contract is up and join the lemmings in Nike apparel, then have her game go further south

 

 IMO

I think Nike’s retreat from the golf business says less about the margins in the golf business and more about the margins in the athletic shoes and clothing business. 
 

When your core business involves making things for fifty cents and selling them for fifty bucks the golf business looks like some kind of hobby. 

Edited February 6, 2023 by me05501

[BallerNate]

3 hours ago, Double Dodger said:

Are you holding your breath? 
If they do fold the LIV players will surely miss all the cash. However the PGA players should be kissing Phil’s ring for putting a rocket ship to the tails of their prospects of making somewhere near LIV money. He changed the game for their pocketbooks and all he’s gotten is disgust from some of those hypocrites. Somewhere in all this bullchit people forgot that it’s a business and Phil did the ‘workers’ a great favor by going out on that limb. 

No, definitely not holding my breath.
 

And I don’t blame the guys who left for accepting multi-generational money that will dramatically change the inheritance they leave to their children and grandchildren.

I just miss watching them play on Tour and can’t stomach watching LIV.

[GriperRiper]

On 2/4/2023 at 1:45 AM, Esco9 said:

Where did you see that..we saw him with some vokey wedges but that’s not a biggie cause vokeys find their way in so many contracted bags

yeah that was my bad, saw a headline in passing about "titleist club" in his bag and assumed it was a driver

[J_Tizzle]

10 hours ago, BallerNate said:

No, definitely not holding my breath.
 

And I don’t blame the guys who left for accepting multi-generational money that will dramatically change the inheritance they leave to their children and grandchildren.

I just miss watching them play on Tour and can’t stomach watching LIV.

 

Same, I miss watching DJ just make the game look efforless and Bryson slashing at it, but for the life of me I cannot watch a LIV tournament.  To watch 50 guys I have no interest in watching just to see DJ hit one shot, plus I hate the shotgun stuff.

[capifico22]

On 2/2/2023 at 9:45 PM, Mike_Honcho said:

i hope bryson wins a major this year.

Would be hilarious

[jah7838]

46 minutes ago, J_Tizzle said:

 

Same, I miss watching DJ just make the game look efforless and Bryson slashing at it, but for the life of me I cannot watch a LIV tournament.  To watch 50 guys I have no interest in watching just to see DJ hit one shot, plus I hate the shotgun stuff.

That's where I'm at with it.  I miss watching DJ as well, but I have no interest in watching anyone else, and I'm not a fan at all about a shotgun start for a professional tournament.  

[DON SVO]

11 hours ago, BallerNate said:

No, definitely not holding my breath.
 

And I don’t blame the guys who left for accepting multi-generational money that will dramatically change the inheritance they leave to their children and grandchildren.

I just miss watching them play on Tour and can’t stomach watching LIV.

 

I've got other deeper posts about it but... Just do what I did: realize a month or so after cutting cable (AT&T U-verse but same diff.) and the ESPN+ app being total garbage that you don't give a $#IT about watching live golf, except for the majors. FWIW I've watched more LIV than PGA in the last year simply because I can watch it off the LIV site or YT off of my phone. The whole PGA vs. LIV fiasco, the political gaslighting, and the outrageous $$$-making mudslinging + gossip (here's to you, Alan Shipnuck, you money-grabbing turd) attached to that circus were the nail in the coffin for me and many many others. 

 

I would imagine that Bryson will be equipment agnostic by the end of the year, at least in terms of his clubs.

Edited February 6, 2023 by DON SVO

[Ex Blade User]

23 minutes ago, DON SVO said:

 

I've got other deeper posts about it but... Just do what I did: realize a month or so after cutting cable (AT&T U-verse but same diff.) and the ESPN+ app being total garbage that you don't give a $#IT about watching live golf, except for the majors. FWIW I've watched more LIV than PGA in the last year simply because I can watch it off the LIV site or YT off of my phone. The whole PGA vs. LIV fiasco, the political gaslighting, and the outrageous $$$-making mudslinging + gossip (here's to you, Alan Shipnuck, you money-grabbing turd) attached to that circus were the nail in the coffin for me and many many others. 

 

I would imagine that Bryson will be equipment agnostic by the end of the year, at least in terms of his clubs.

Lol money grabbing turd kind of ironic using that phrase, no?

[Bdck]

15 hours ago, Double Dodger said:

Are you holding your breath? 
If they do fold the LIV players will surely miss all the cash. However the PGA players should be kissing Phil’s ring for putting a rocket ship to the tails of their prospects of making somewhere near LIV money. He changed the game for their pocketbooks and all he’s gotten is disgust from some of those hypocrites. Somewhere in all this bullchit people forgot that it’s a business and Phil did the ‘workers’ a great favor by going out on that limb. 

But but but Saudis bad

[Bdck]

The news I'm waiting for - Bryson bags a set of edel sms irons

[Danielson]

15 hours ago, Double Dodger said:

Are you holding your breath? 
If they do fold the LIV players will surely miss all the cash. However the PGA players should be kissing Phil’s ring for putting a rocket ship to the tails of their prospects of making somewhere near LIV money. He changed the game for their pocketbooks and all he’s gotten is disgust from some of those hypocrites. Somewhere in all this bullchit people forgot that it’s a business and Phil did the ‘workers’ a great favor by going out on that limb. 

 

I'm sure LIV put some pep in the step of the PGA but this is also the first year of a massive new media deal. Phil is getting a lot more credit than he really deserves. That slush fund he keeps talking about as though it keeps money out of the players pockets? That's what floated them during Covid.

[J_Tizzle]

1 hour ago, Bdck said:

The news I'm waiting for - Bryson bags a set of edel sms irons

 

My guess is the non-driving iron irons will be Artisans since he's bagging the wedges, but he'll keep those Cobra driving irons just due to the tech probably in them.

 

But thats just my gut feeling, but of course he's had Edels in the past, so they could easily use their new iron heads (the hollow body ones) and get Bryson the numbers he's looking for out of the longer irons.  

[Red4282]

Hard to take the liv and saudis bad stuff when just about everyone who believes this plays stuff made in china. Take a stand against that too. 

[ayong]

no cobra driver for bryson

[Mike_Honcho]

7 hours ago, capifico22 said:

Would be hilarious

 

I think the internet would crater. 

[theedge27]

21 hours ago, me05501 said:

I think Nike’s retreat from the golf business says less about the margins in the golf business and more about the margins in the athletic shoes and clothing business. 
 

When your core business involves making things for fifty cents and selling them for fifty bucks the golf business looks like some kind of hobby. 

I dont know the numbers of Nike golfs profits/losses, but I read that they pulled out of the hockey market because "they were only making 4 dollars for every dollar they spent." My guess is the golf hard goods had a similar scenario. 

[TiScape]

On 2/2/2023 at 6:45 PM, Mike_Honcho said:

i hope bryson wins a major this year.

Let’s hope he can make a cut on the Asian Tour first! Lol

[phizzy30]

On 2/5/2023 at 7:03 PM, The Mad Bomber said:

I can tell you first hand that LA Golf product is as good as anything out there and there's no reason not to give it a look in a fit. I'll say that the shafts ARE different as far as feel goes so like any other shaft, they're not for everybody. But the 2 guys that have a stake in the company not even playing the product is beyond bizarre.

I agree.  The LAGP shafts are legit.  It's just that the company has done a really bad job of advertising and networking.  I recently got to test the new G-Series and it's given me some eye popping numbers that I haven't seen in awhile.  It's also a grand MSRP but I got quoted 750 but still that's a hard pill to swallow when I can get numbers almost as good with other OEM for less. 

[Tbone107]

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

I agree.  The LAGP shafts are legit.  It's just that the company has done a really bad job of advertising and networking.  I recently got to test the new G-Series and it's given me some eye popping numbers that I haven't seen in awhile.  It's also a grand MSRP but I got quoted 750 but still that's a hard pill to swallow when I can get numbers almost as good with other OEM for less. 

What did it feel like? What kind of numbers vs others?

[Valtiel]

12 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Hard to take the liv and saudis bad stuff when just about everyone who believes this plays stuff made in china. Take a stand against that too. 

The problem with that argument is that it isn't possible, practical, or even equivalent. If you decide to "take a stand against China" then you're not playing golf at all and likely throwing away 75%+ of the stuff you own. By this logic anyone saying bad stuff about LIV/SA is a hypocrite because they also use oil/gas. It's a false dichotomy because LIV isn't a necessary product serving a purpose, so talking trash about it isn't some moral stance that requires you to then bring up EVERY other moral issue in the world that deserves attention. 

[Red4282]

1 hour ago, Valtiel said:

The problem with that argument is that it isn't possible, practical, or even equivalent. If you decide to "take a stand against China" then you're not playing golf at all and likely throwing away 75%+ of the stuff you own. By this logic anyone saying bad stuff about LIV/SA is a hypocrite because they also use oil/gas. It's a false dichotomy because LIV isn't a necessary product serving a purpose, so talking trash about it isn't some moral stance that requires you to then bring up EVERY other moral issue in the world that deserves attention. 

Not really. Im not saying throw away everything you own made in china. Damage has already been done there. But You can decide to not purchase something going forward though. It is possible to get most of your stuff from stuff not made in china but probably not ALL OF IT…or even just play really old stuff. You  can decide to break the cycle of supporting these companies by buying equipment every year from them.  You can also pressure them by speaking up on forums, social media, emails. Just imagine if the unthinkable happens, they attack Taiwan, we defend. The whole golf industry along with alot of others would just crash… why did we allow this to happen? 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Red4282

[Ex Blade User]

15 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Hard to take the liv and saudis bad stuff when just about everyone who believes this plays stuff made in china. Take a stand against that too. 

Is China backing a rival golf league and suing the PGA? 
 

thought so. 

[Red4282]

49 minutes ago, Ex Blade User said:

Is China backing a rival golf league and suing the PGA? 
 

thought so. 

No arguably, they are doing worse.

[DON SVO]

22 hours ago, Ex Blade User said:

Lol money grabbing turd kind of ironic using that phrase, no?

 

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Both sides of this coin are after $$$ (PGA and LIV) and have created a 3 ring circus that has essentially turned a ton of viewers off. There are more than enough ancillary peons (like Shipnuck) hitching their buggy to this $#itshow train and trying to cash in. The situation as a whole is deplorable. 

 

My golf viewing time is on YT channels at this point 95+%. Guess who has a pretty decent YT channel? Bryson of all people. 

 

On topic again: I wonder if Taylormade can accommodate single length irons.

[lakecowboy]

On 2/2/2023 at 1:33 PM, KimmerBH said:

Never been a fan of Bryson but I do miss seeing him play every week along with some others that went to LIV. He was definitely entertaining to watch, I'll give him that. 

I watched some LIV rounds, the best thing they have going for them is you know who you are tuning in to see every week.

[Viper4225]

5 minutes ago, DON SVO said:

 

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Both sides of this coin are after $$$ (PGA and LIV) and have created a 3 ring circus that has essentially turned a ton of viewers off. There are more than enough ancillary peons (like Shipnuck) hitching their buggy to this $#itshow train and trying to cash in. The situation as a whole is deplorable. 

 

My golf viewing time is on YT channels at this point 95+%. Guess who has a pretty decent YT channel? Bryson of all people. 

 

On topic again: I wonder if Taylormade can accommodate single length irons.

 

 

haha seriously. 

 

Back on topic: If Bryson dumps Cobra (or vice versa), I can see him going back to EDEL for some one length irons.

 

 

[Double Dodger]

It always amazes me how influential professional golfers are on amateurs equipment. I have never played a single club because a professional player played it. Yeah, I see some amateurs with bags completely full of one brand of golf clubs, and I wonder if they have ever tried anything else.

i’m sure Justin Rose is just fine with winning Pebble Beach with clubs in his bag that probably no one else was playing.