John Daly / PXG

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  • golfandfishinggolfandfishing Members Posts: 3,435 ✭✭
    cdnglf wrote:


    Teetoogrn wrote:


    Okay...here we go...I find it interesting that quite a few posters seem willing to give Big JD a break when it comes to his repeated transgressions, while TW is ripped, repeatedly on this same site for chasing skirts while married Before the posting attacks begin, note that I recognize that we have the right to like and dislike whom ever we please...okay 3-2-1...GO!




    Probably has a lot to do with how each one handled their "issues". Daly was upfront about his addictions and has said he can't overcome them. Tiger hides in a house and has a guy release statements about his drugs being mismanaged. Daly gets raked by his wife and he shows up with open wounds on his face to play the next day. Tiger gets whacked with a 9 iron and he somehow refuses to talk to law enforcement about driving his suv over a fire hydrant. Daly plays like carp and simply walks off, WD'ing like a child. Tiger makes up fantastical theatre about his glutes and whatnot. I think the difference is that Daly acknowledges his fans while Tiger generally wishes they all died in a fire while he watched from the clubhouse. One is a forgivable character, the other is not.




    There is no comparison. Daly is a child. Tiger is a man. A flawed man perhaps, but one holds himself accountable for his actions. Every time I've heard Daly "apologize", it had a "yeah but it really isn't my fault" echo to it.




    Agree 100%. But people forgive Daly because he’s a forgivable character. TW apologizes in the same way, but does it in a way that says “I’m obviously lying, but I hate you all and I’m Tiger Woods so you will believe it and you will like it.” That’s is the difference being asked about in the original post.
  • Cheesehead42Cheesehead42 Members Posts: 673 ✭✭
    cardoustie wrote:



    Is John Daly even relevant to Golf anymore? He is the epitome of a wasted talent. Tremendous natural ability but lack of work ethic and too much love to get drunk wasted what should have been an incredible career. He's now left relegated to hawking his trinkets from the side of his mobile home and hoping for sponsor's exemptions. I would rather see someone working their butt off get benefits like a club contact instead of someone hanging on to their past while not working their butt off getting back to that plateau.




    Nobody's perfect bud



    Everyone has their own demons to deal with




    Given the option to have a beer with JD or 99% of the other pro golfers, I know who I am pulling a stool up beside.
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    cdnglf wrote:


    Teetoogrn wrote:


    Okay...here we go...I find it interesting that quite a few posters seem willing to give Big JD a break when it comes to his repeated transgressions, while TW is ripped, repeatedly on this same site for chasing skirts while married Before the posting attacks begin, note that I recognize that we have the right to like and dislike whom ever we please...okay 3-2-1...GO!




    Probably has a lot to do with how each one handled their "issues". Daly was upfront about his addictions and has said he can't overcome them. Tiger hides in a house and has a guy release statements about his drugs being mismanaged. Daly gets raked by his wife and he shows up with open wounds on his face to play the next day. Tiger gets whacked with a 9 iron and he somehow refuses to talk to law enforcement about driving his suv over a fire hydrant. Daly plays like carp and simply walks off, WD'ing like a child. Tiger makes up fantastical theatre about his glutes and whatnot. I think the difference is that Daly acknowledges his fans while Tiger generally wishes they all died in a fire while he watched from the clubhouse. One is a forgivable character, the other is not.




    There is no comparison. Daly is a child. Tiger is a man. A flawed man perhaps, but one holds himself accountable for his actions. Every time I've heard Daly "apologize", it had a "yeah but it really isn't my fault" echo to it.




    Agree 100%. But people forgive Daly because he's a forgivable character. TW apologizes in the same way, but does it in a way that says "I'm obviously lying, but I hate you all and I'm Tiger Woods so you will believe it and you will like it." That's is the difference being asked about in the original post.




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    here you go buckeye



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  • Sean2Sean2 #TheWRX (Callaway Trip) Members Posts: 30,826 ✭✭

    Sean2 wrote:

    chiva wrote:

    Sean2 wrote:



    I'm not sending him to the electric chair. I had a discussion with him, face to face. He shows me no desire to practice or play. He was just interested in selling his wares when he could have been at Augusta National working with the best people. He chose apathy instead of hard work. I saw first hand. Have you met Daly? I was shocked with what I saw hence my position. Believe me I'm pulling for JD but he has to make an honest effort.




    So based on a few minute conversation with JD you understand him completely? I'm impressed.




    Wow, you're still putting words in people's mouths. Nice holier than thou attitude bud.




    He said he had a face to face with JD, and further stated, "[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]He chose apathy instead of hard work. I saw first hand." Based on this, and what RD said in his previous posts, one can infer that he has an understanding of JD that the rest of us are not privy to. [/background]



    [background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Please tell me what words I put in his mouth. [/background]




    You ever meet JD and have a conversation with him face to face? Inquiring minds want to know.




    No, never met him. How long have you known JD?
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  • ChronicSlicerChronicSlicer Members Posts: 943 ✭✭
    I`m guessing Mr. Daly is ok with the way his life is currently going. Good for him, It`s nice to see another flawed golfer.
  • Sean2Sean2 #TheWRX (Callaway Trip) Members Posts: 30,826 ✭✭


    I`m guessing Mr. Daly is ok with the way his life is currently going. Good for him, It`s nice to see another flawed golfer.




    We are all flawed in some way. :-)
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  • RobotDoctorRobotDoctor Senior Hacker ClubWRX Posts: 4,545 ClubWRX
    edited Jul 10, 2018 #69
    Sean2 wrote:



    You ever meet JD and have a conversation with him face to face? Inquiring minds want to know.




    No, never met him. How long have you known JD?




    That is irrelevant. He made his comments and his actions have made many people conclude he isn't as hungry as he once was. Does that make JD a bad person? Absolutely not. He's rather likable and our brief discussion left me with an opinion he is a really nice guy. I am certainly not against JD and hope the best for him. He has endured quite a bit in life, much to his own doing. At the end of the day it's his life.



    My comments have nothing to do with JD as a person. We all have issues and flaws, myself included. I am not talking about his personal issues. My criticism of this PGX arrangement is that there are many young pros working their butt off while JD certainly isn't putting in the time he probably should as a tour pro. He is incredibly talented and has so much raw ability that most of us would love to have an ounce of. Again, I am not criticizing him but offering my opinion of what I have seen from him the past 20+ years. If Bob Parsons thinks signing JD can sell some clubs then more power to him. Even if signing JD has no effect on club sales more power to Parsons. It's his company so he can do what ever he wants.



    On a last note, I don't have the compulsion to tear into someone because they post a differentiating point of view, as you did. I don't have to impugn a persons character to win an argument. I can have a discussion based on information, attempting to be 100% factual every time. With regard to my discussion with John Daly, you weren't there so your opinion of what was or was not said is irrelevant so don't waste my time. I know what I heard when I posed the question of why JD wasn't at ANGC as other pros with equal privilege were. I was also able to look into his eyes when he gave me a BS excuse and I saw a deflated spirit holding on to the last bit of celebrity he had while he was drinking his Diet Coke and smoking a cigarette. Maybe he values his time at Hooters more than time earned at ANGC. Who knows and what I think is irrelevant. If JD is good with apathy, at least in that one case, then so be it. Again, this doesn't make him a bad guy nor does this make him a good guy. This makes JD be JD. I have not and will not impugn your character and will remain on the high road. Let's just respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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  • GautamaGautama Members Posts: 754 ✭✭
    This thread is like a case study of everything that is wrong with the internet 😂



    I don't know, personally I love the guy. Probably for the same reasons I loved Dennis Rodman, Lindsay Lohan, and my first wife. I'm a horrible judge of character...
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  • Sean2Sean2 #TheWRX (Callaway Trip) Members Posts: 30,826 ✭✭

    Sean2 wrote:



    You ever meet JD and have a conversation with him face to face? Inquiring minds want to know.




    No, never met him. How long have you known JD?




    That is irrelevant. He made his comments and his actions have made many people conclude he isn't as hungry as he once was. Does that make JD a bad person? Absolutely not. He's rather likable and our brief discussion left me with an opinion he is a really nice guy. I am certainly not against JD and hope the best for him. He has endured quite a bit in life, much to his own doing. At the end of the day it's his life.



    My comments have nothing to do with JD as a person. We all have issues and flaws, myself included. I am not talking about his personal issues. My criticism of this PGX arrangement is that there are many young pros working their butt off while JD certainly isn't putting in the time he probably should as a tour pro. He is incredibly talented and has so much raw ability that most of us would love to have an ounce of. Again, I am not criticizing him but offering my opinion of what I have seen from him the past 20+ years. If Bob Parsons thinks signing JD can sell some clubs then more power to him. Even if signing JD has no effect on club sales more power to Parsons. It's his company so he can do what ever he wants.



    On a last note, I don't have the compulsion to tear into someone because they post a differentiating point of view, as you did. I don't have to impugn a persons character to win an argument. I can have a discussion based on information, attempting to be 100% factual every time. With regard to my discussion with John Daly, you weren't there so your opinion of what was or was not said is irrelevant so don't waste my time. I know what I heard when I posed the question of why JD wasn't at ANGC as other pros with equal privilege were. I was also able to look into his eyes when he gave me a BS excuse and I saw a deflated spirit holding on to the last bit of celebrity he had while he was drinking his Diet Coke and smoking a cigarette. Maybe he values his time at Hooters more than time earned at ANGC. Who knows and what I think is irrelevant. If JD is good with apathy, at least in that one case, then so be it. Again, this doesn't make him a bad guy nor does this make him a good guy. This makes JD be JD. I have not and will not impugn your character and will remain on the high road. Let's just respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that.




    The only character impugning I see has been directed at JD by some folks.



    I agree that he hasn’t lived up to his potential. A long time ago Tiger Woods said he had never seen a golfer with more natural talent than JD. For whatever reasons JD didn’t live up to that talent. The same could probably said for many of us.



    In any event, I have no problem discussing why that may be, my problem is how some go about it.
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  • jmckjmck Members Posts: 4,277 ✭✭

    Sean2 wrote:


    Popeye64 wrote:

    Is John Daly even relevant to Golf anymore? He is the epitome of a wasted talent. Tremendous natural ability but lack of work ethic and too much love to get drunk wasted what should have been an incredible career. He's now left relegated to hawking his trinkets from the side of his mobile home and hoping for sponsor's exemptions. I would rather see someone working their butt off get benefits like a club contact instead of someone hanging on to their past while not working their butt off getting back to that plateau.
    That's kinda harsh. We are not all wired to be this shining example of humanity. He has life long issues.




    And why is it harsh? Many would say the assessment is spot on accurate. Look at last week for example. He withdraws from the US Senior Open because he doesn't get a cart. He's invited to submit additional information to validate this request. Instead of validating this he simply quits and withdraws. Scott Verplank went through the necessary steps and had a cart. Why should JD be treated differently? Again, if he worked half as hard on his game than he does selling trinkets maybe his detractors would think differently.




    How do you know this?




    By simply reading the many comments posted on this thread about JD and his choices. I am not alone to see how Daly has underachieved his prodigious talent because he likes beer and crap food more. Or that he doesn't put time into his game. I met Daly during Masters week in 2015 where he was content smoking his cigarette, drinking his Diet Coke and selling his product from his RV parked at the Hooters on Washington Road. I asked him, as a former PGA and British Open Champion why he wasn't at The National playing practice rounds and working on his game there. He said he didn't want to take a spot from someone. What a crock of BS. There were gaps of tee times with no activity and Daly HAS EARNED attending and participating in the Masters, pre tournament yet he doesn't take advantage of this earned opportunity. Heck, Jerry Pate still shows up and partakes and he isn't as good as John Daly today.



    Why do you think there are many of us who just don't agree with Bob Parsons/PGX in this arrangement? Because JD doesn't work on his game anymore. He isn't hungry. He's a shell of his former self. Such a waste. Give an equipment contract to someone who is busting their a$$ to get to the big time. Give it to Matt Hansen because he's busting his butt to make it, even though TM is taking care of him. I agree with those who believe JD is living on what he did in the past because he is.




    Maybe he just didn't like talking with you? Or maybe he didn't like some stranger walking up to him and telling him how he should be spending his time?
  • joey2acesjoey2aces not as smart as most but not as gullible either Members Posts: 5,881 ✭✭
    edited Jul 11, 2018 #73
    Short Pete wrote:

    Yepyukon wrote:

    Teetoogrn wrote:


    Okay...here we go...I find it interesting that quite a few posters seem willing to give Big JD a break when it comes to his repeated transgressions, while TW is ripped, repeatedly on this same site for chasing skirts while married Before the posting attacks begin, note that I recognize that we have the right to like and dislike whom ever we please...okay 3-2-1...GO!




    Vice versa for people ripping JD but giving TW a pass because of his record I guess. c'est la vie




    Not too many people gave TW a pass regarding his DUI driving or his skirt chasing. But TW put a pretty brilliant career together with multiple major wins and dozens of tournament wins around the globe from 1996 through 2013. John Daly won 4 tournaments between 1991 and 1995, three more between 2001 and 2003, and has an impressive record of WDs and MCs aside from his multiple off-course "ventures".




    JD also doesn't get the fawning attention that Tiger gets from fans, media, et al. (and for good reason). I do agree that one's private life should be left private but if you hold someone so high on a pedestal, the fall is going to be that much greater. One cannot expect all the good and not expect the same amount or more of the bad when things go wrong.
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  • Short PeteShort Pete Members Posts: 198 ✭✭
    John Daly has found a way of making a living without putting effort into his golf game. Watch the interview with Graham Bensinger, that's all you need to know. Daly likes what he does, he likes to be a chainsmoker, he decided that he can't drink water, he decided that practicing hurts his golf game. Obviously that's enough for him. As long as there's a kind sponsor every now and then who gives him money he won't be willing to change anything. If that's OK with him, let him do it.
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    I know he had a huge contract from Callaway in the 90s that he lost because he lost his sobriety. Eli Callaway really seem to love JD and seemed to be saddened when Callaway had to end the relationship. I am not sure this was for $100 million but at the time it was a big contract. Demons to wrestle with. I do hope JD can over come his demons and I do hope he is successful. But then again this is JD we're talking about and there is a definite pattern.




    The Callaway contract wasnt good from the start. From what Daly said, Callaway had him on a cocktail of anti depressants and all other sorts of stuff to try to rehab him. I remember seeing him at the PGA and he was like 150 pounds. It was bizarre. He then had that episode where he had the shakes in the middle of the tournament.
  • Sean2Sean2 #TheWRX (Callaway Trip) Members Posts: 30,826 ✭✭
    Short Pete wrote:


    John Daly has found a way of making a living without putting effort into his golf game. Watch the interview with Graham Bensinger, that's all you need to know. Daly likes what he does, he likes to be a chainsmoker, he decided that he can't drink water, he decided that practicing hurts his golf game. Obviously that's enough for him. As long as there's a kind sponsor every now and then who gives him money he won't be willing to change anything. If that's OK with him, let him do it.




    I agree. Does one necessarily agree with how JD managed his career? Probably not. But, if he is happy with his approach, that's all that ultimately matters.
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  • RobotDoctorRobotDoctor Senior Hacker ClubWRX Posts: 4,545 ClubWRX
    jmck wrote:


    Maybe he just didn't like talking with you? Or maybe he didn't like some stranger walking up to him and telling him how he should be spending his time?




    For what it's worth, I certainly didn't tell JD what he should do. I merely asked why he wasn't at ANGC as a former PGA and Open Championship winner. JD is very approachable and really a good guy. That's never been in question. He didn't seem put off by my interaction with him and was rather friendly. We had a nice conversation regarding other things as well.
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  • ChronicSlicerChronicSlicer Members Posts: 943 ✭✭
    Sean2 wrote:



    I`m guessing Mr. Daly is ok with the way his life is currently going. Good for him, It`s nice to see another flawed golfer.




    We are all flawed in some way. :-)


    Yes, I`m fully aware of this, just try telling the rest of the world that. This forum would be a good starting point. Good Luck!
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    Sean2 wrote:



    I`m guessing Mr. Daly is ok with the way his life is currently going. Good for him, It`s nice to see another flawed golfer.




    We are all flawed in some way. :-)


    Yes, I`m fully aware of this, just try telling the rest of the world that. This forum would be a good starting point. Good Luck!




    Seems like some would rather point out the flaws of others instead of confronting their own. :-)



    Some even derive pleasure from the misfortune of others...I think it's called schadenfreude.
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    From the interviews I've listened to featuring Bob, sounds like a good team
  • ssfrannyssfranny Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,606 ✭✭
    EKELLY wrote:


    I LOVE John, BUT, he's in my forever blunder Hall Of Fame! Who else could blow 2 $100 million dollar contracts? Really? That's right up there with Norman and van de Velde......
    His Wilson contreact was $40 million dont rhink Callway was $100 mill either.
  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members Posts: 3,787 ✭✭
    edited Jul 14, 2018 #82
    I’ve been called a waste of talent and an underachiever since I was a teenager, some from people who didn’t know what I was dealing with, and a lot from people who should have known a little better. It’s been enough to make me actually hide from the world for periods of time.



    I’m comfortable enough in myself now to know what I’m capable of and what makes me happy. I didn’t have to do it in front of a camera like John with millions of people watching, a good portion actually cheering for the next breakdown. Yet through all of this, divorces, mental health issues, addiction, and at times owing more in alimony and debts than he was earning in income, he kept lugging along. Won 2 majors along the way.



    Those of you accusing JD of underachieving, try playing the PGA Tour. Also realize that even though he doesn’t practice much now, he practiced more to get where he is than any of you have put into golf and it’s not even close. More perspective, JD has more majors than the last few world number 1’s.



    Who cares if John likes selling merch over playing in meaningless senior tour events? He’s over 50, he doesn’t have a shot at playing the regular tour anymore, and he has an expensive life to pay for. He’s earned his success and his money. No one gave JD those majors; he went out and won them. John didn’t wake up as a kid one day and discover that he was incredible at hitting a golf ball, which many of you seem to think. He worked hard.



    Lastly, those of you doubting the existence of “demons” (mental health, addiction, etc) need to seriously educate yourself.
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  • ssfrannyssfranny Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,606 ✭✭
    edited Jul 14, 2018 #83


    I’ve been called a waste of talent and an underachiever since I was a teenager, some from people who didn’t know what I was dealing with, and a lot from people who should have known a little better. It’s been enough to make me actually hide from the world for periods of time.



    I’m comfortable enough in myself now to know what I’m capable of and what makes me happy. I didn’t have to do it in front of a camera like John with millions of people watching, a good portion actually cheering for the next breakdown. Yet through all of this, divorces, mental health issues, addiction, and at times owing more in alimony and debts than he was earning in income, he kept lugging along. Won 2 majors along the way.



    Those of you accusing JD of underachieving, try playing the PGA Tour. Also realize that even though he doesn’t practice much now, he practiced more to get where he is than any of you have put into golf and it’s not even close. More perspective, JD has more majors than the last few world number 1’s.



    Who cares if John likes selling merch over playing in meaningless senior tour events? He’s over 50, he doesn’t have a shot at playing the regular tour anymore, and he has an expensive life to pay for. He’s earned his success and his money. No one gave JD those majors; he went out and won them. John didn’t wake up as a kid one day and discover that he was incredible at hitting a golf ball, which many of you seem to think. He worked hard.



    Lastly, those of you doubting the existence of “demons” (mental health, addiction, etc) need to seriously educate yourself.




    Amen and well said JD has more talent and success than prob 99.99% of WRXers bashing him. Also more heart any of you remember the spectator who was struck by lightning and died at 1991 PGA? JD paid for the victims childrens college tuition. And that was before he really had fame and wealth.





    Guy has his shortcomings but his heart makes up for it.
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    Bob is the redneck billionaire...JD ..well, you know the rest.. good fit...he didn't think Tiger would be a fit for PXG
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  • -GoldenHawk--GoldenHawk- DJ Members Posts: 907 ✭✭
    Sure, PXG is good equipment, but so is Titleist, TM, Callaway, PING, Srixon... you get it. These wouldn't improve John's game and they wouldn't improve yours. The obsession with the brand is absurd, but they are getting rich so good for them I suppose.
  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,501 ✭✭
    Man_O_War wrote:


    Bob is the redneck billionaire...JD ..well, you know the rest.. good fit...he didn't think Tiger would be a fit for PXG




    TW and PXG is like oil and water....
  • Dr. BlockDr. Block Members Posts: 610 ✭✭
    edited Jul 14, 2018 #87
    What’s with all this talk of wasted talent. Guy won two majors. Let’s make a list of all the guys who’ve done that. I bet it’s rather short



    Better yet, let’s make a list of all the guys who’ve won multiple majors and stomped on the terra living their life exactly how they wanted to.



    Daly is the Mickey Mantle of golf. He’s a living legend. Not many of those left these days, and they sure as **** aren’t making them like they used to anymore.
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,382 ✭✭

    Sean2 wrote:



    You ever meet JD and have a conversation with him face to face? Inquiring minds want to know.




    No, never met him. How long have you known JD?




    That is irrelevant. He made his comments and his actions have made many people conclude he isn't as hungry as he once was. Does that make JD a bad person? Absolutely not. He's rather likable and our brief discussion left me with an opinion he is a really nice guy. I am certainly not against JD and hope the best for him. He has endured quite a bit in life, much to his own doing. At the end of the day it's his life.



    My comments have nothing to do with JD as a person. We all have issues and flaws, myself included. I am not talking about his personal issues. My criticism of this PGX arrangement is that there are many young pros working their butt off while JD certainly isn't putting in the time he probably should as a tour pro. He is incredibly talented and has so much raw ability that most of us would love to have an ounce of. Again, I am not criticizing him but offering my opinion of what I have seen from him the past 20+ years. If Bob Parsons thinks signing JD can sell some clubs then more power to him. Even if signing JD has no effect on club sales more power to Parsons. It's his company so he can do what ever he wants.



    On a last note, I don't have the compulsion to tear into someone because they post a differentiating point of view, as you did. I don't have to impugn a persons character to win an argument. I can have a discussion based on information, attempting to be 100% factual every time. With regard to my discussion with John Daly, you weren't there so your opinion of what was or was not said is irrelevant so don't waste my time. I know what I heard when I posed the question of why JD wasn't at ANGC as other pros with equal privilege were. I was also able to look into his eyes when he gave me a BS excuse and I saw a deflated spirit holding on to the last bit of celebrity he had while he was drinking his Diet Coke and smoking a cigarette. Maybe he values his time at Hooters more than time earned at ANGC. Who knows and what I think is irrelevant. If JD is good with apathy, at least in that one case, then so be it. Again, this doesn't make him a bad guy nor does this make him a good guy. This makes JD be JD. I have not and will not impugn your character and will remain on the high road. Let's just respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that.




    Young pro's are unknowns, no one cares what clubs these kids play. JD is notorious / famous and captures headlines, that's what companies seek when it comes to marketing and brand ambassadors. Parsons and JD are loud, brash in your face guys so it's pretty obvious why PXG would want JD using their clubs.
    Driver - Ping G400 MAX 10.5*
    Woods - XXIO 10 3W
    Hybrids - XXIO 10 3H, 4H, 5H
    Irons - Home - PXG Gen 2 0311P 5-GW Away - Ping i500 5-AW
    Wedge - Vokey TVD 56* K Grind
    Putter - Seemore Nashville mFGP2 SS Mallet Black
    Ball - KSig, TM TP5X, Snell MTB
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