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Seems if you replace a ball that moves inadvertently it shouldn’t matter where it ends up.

 

In what world does penalizing a player for that occurence make sense? Oh, yeah, the rules don't make sense.

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Does anybody remember a similar thing happening ever? I certainly can't.

 

Van de Velde forever holds the crown of worst break ever

 

And also made a great putt for triple.

 

That was his own fault forgoing for the green with a 3 shot lead. And his own fault for trying to play it out of 5 foot tall rough on his next shot

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Wow, it’s pouring over there

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Does anybody remember a similar thing happening ever? I certainly can't.

 

Van de Velde forever holds the crown of worst break ever

 

Tom Watson if your going that route. Silly Frenchman making french mistakes was what cost him.

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Does anybody remember a similar thing happening ever? I certainly can't.

 

Van de Velde forever holds the crown of worst break ever

 

Tom Watson if your going that route. Silly Frenchman making french mistakes was what cost him.

 

Haha. Indeed Van de Velde had one bad break and compounded things. Fowler was unlucky to hit it in the hazard and brutally unlucky to have it roll in the water a second time.

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Seems if you replace a ball that moves inadvertently it shouldn't matter where it ends up.

 

In what world does penalizing a player for that occurence make sense? Oh, yeah, the rules don't make sense.

 

For a ball in play going into a hazard? Been a sensible part of the rules forever. Ball in play vs. exceptions for outside agency (rub of the green), for example, pretty basic and foundational part of the rules of golf.

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I just went and tried to read the 2019 rules that were supposed to make things simpler. My brain started hurting after about five minutes, and I had to stop. And I'm a lawyer and read things like this for a living...

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I can’t believe Maltbie thought the rolling ball counted as a shot and he made 8. Come on Roger!

 

I thought it was. Ball was in play when he placed it. Heck, I don’t have any idea of the rules anymore.

 

Roger almost had me convinced, then you probably heard he got Slugger (who probably had no idea of Rickies score at that point) agreeing he was putting for 8 - maybe Roger couldn't make sense of that either and asked Slugger. I'm guessing Rickie would have been checking carefully with Slugger after the hole to make sure he knew his score.

 

I just want to see him get back on track - need some grit!

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Looks like the rain eased up.

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Does anybody remember a similar thing happening ever? I certainly can't.

 

Van de Velde forever holds the crown of worst break ever

 

Tom Watson if your going that route. Silly Frenchman making french mistakes was what cost him.

 

Hindsight is always 20/20. When a mistake is made we always do that. I remember when Kyle Stanley made a 8 at Torrey pines on 18 because his ball rolled back in the water after laying up. Guys were adamant he was stupid for laying up because going for it took triple out of it.... truthfully both ways of playing the hole the outcome of 8 was probably <1%. He was just the victim of a black swan

 

We do the same with van de Velde. He hit a bar that was like 1 inch wide. If the ball doesn't hit that he's a major champion.

 

It makes us uncomfortable to believe there luck involved in these things, which is why we do this

 

 

 

 

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An interesting point made by Rich Beam. If Rickie leaves the pegs in until just before the shot and it rolls in the water, no penalty, it isn't in play. Just replace it.

 

One other point. People are saying Rickie dropped it before it rolled in the water. He did but it rolled towards the hazard so he ended up placing it which of course makes it more likely to remain static.

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