How could anyone be a fan of Patrick Reed?

[MattyO1984]

I must admit, I am genuinely surprised at the support that Patrick Reed has.

 

The guy is a complete sociopath but I am sure that the me (or should I say us - shout out to Justine) vs the World is part of his raison d’etre. Not sure that he would be half the player if was if it weren’t for the chip that he has on his shoulder.

[BIM_Monkey]

People like him because 'Merica'. Wear that red, white and blue outfit on a Sunday and the blind faithful will root for anyone. 

 

If say, Hatton or Rahm had the same history they would be getting crucified on here. 

[MattyO1984]

1 minute ago, BIM_Monkey said:

People like him because 'Merica'. Wear that red, white and blue outfit on a Sunday and the blind faithful will root for anyone. 

 

If say, Hatton or Rahm had the same history they would be getting crucified on here. 

 

If it had been Sergio Garcia he’d have been hung, drawn and quartered by now.

[apj0524]

7 hours ago, JermWRX said:

If he’s not an outright cheater, he’s at least a dude who completely skirts the rules to benefit.  It’s gone way beyond a mistake or two. I don’t understand how anyone could root for this guy. Just the absolute worst kind of pro there is, in my opinion. He’s embarrassing. The “plugged lie” in The Farmers just proves once again that he’s a cheat. I can’t imagine what his fellow competitors really think about him

So did Mcllroy also cheat on the 18th?  I'm not a fan and when I looked at the footage the way he looked at the ball made me think he had another agenda, but in this instance he did not do anything wrong.  Past incidents just made people assume he had done something wrong 

[BIM_Monkey]

11 minutes ago, apj0524 said:

So did Mcllroy also cheat on the 18th?  I'm not a fan and when I looked at the footage the way he looked at the ball made me think he had another agenda, but in this instance he did not do anything wrong.  Past incidents just made people assume he had done something wrong 

I took Rory and Rory doing it as them saying. If its ok for Rewd then I'll do the same. 

 

Like if I let one of my kids get away with eating a whole bag of Haribo. If the other kid then did the same, I'm in no position to punish the second one as I'd be a hypocrite. 

[Hamerhaai]

I think there are a lot of hangers-on too. Think about it, with topics like this, how could you indeed root for him. You will be different and that's just what Patrick Reed was his whole life. Try to be no different to others, otherwise you're weird.

 

From the beginning, since people are randomly and most of all anonymously mocking Reed, I'm beginning to like this guy. For his thick skin (no pun hehe). Oh and also, every post of the PGA or so about Reed on the social media gets a lot of childish comments, just throwing in some 'popular' joke/rand about him for the likes. Pathetic. 

[milesgiles]

7 hours ago, Golfnuck said:

I don't particularly care for the guy.

 

But he takes every advantage to win.  Maybe gets a bit over the edge but so what.

 

I'm sure you all watch or have played American Football.  I bet there is at least one foul committed on every play.

 

I'm Canadian and I played hockey.  We all know how to hook or interfere to gain an edge.

 

The trick is not to get caught.

 

So why not for golf too.

 

What I do admire about him is 1) his ability to cheat just enough to not get caught or 2) if he does get caught (sand incident) he doesn't give a crap.   He is by far the most professional cheater in golf today and you have to admire him for that.

 

I am sick of everyone that seems to think golfers are so angelic and how honorable the game is ..... I don't believe it for a moment.

 

Joe Montana: If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying,

 

 

 

We wont be having a game anytime soon

 

Jesus 

[vman]

He's a great player who's prone to the odd lie improvement. The fact that he has no conscience about it points towards a hint of sociopathy and a lack of thought or respect for his fellow competitors....probably the signs of a fierce competitor and winner. Difficult to warm to...but hey, Patrick's not bothered.

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, BIM_Monkey said:

People like him because 'Merica'. Wear that red, white and blue outfit on a Sunday and the blind faithful will root for anyone. 

 

If say, Hatton or Rahm had the same history they would be getting crucified on here. 

Have you been on the Farmers Insurance thread? He is only short of being burned at the stake over there and on Social Media too. 

[Superbrit]

mmm i wonder if some of these replies would be the same if Reed didn't have the Ryder cup record he has

[braincramp52]

Reed wouldn't be a guy that I'd probably like to hang with, but I admire the hell out of his mental toughness and the game he has. He doesn't care if he's likeable. Golf is a business and he's not out there to make friends.

[CLEVELAND59]

6 hours ago, grm24 said:

If the volunteer says she didn't see it bounce how can you or anyone else draw an absolute conclusion that the ball didn't bounce? 

If you could get your biased head out of your backside long enough, you'd realize that if you ask someone "did the ball bounce" and they reply "I did not see it bounce" the obvious inference is that it did not bounce.  There are only 2 things it could have done, and if it didn't do 1, then it must have done the other.  There is no 3rd choice.  

 

You sometimes have to depend on the input of eye witnesses, which can sometimes be unreliable, but that was the only witness he had. That's not Reed's fault.  He asked the question, he has to take the answer at face value, given no other information is available.  

 

It amazes me we can sit here and criminalize Patrick Reed for this situation but we can laugh, joke and look the other way at everyone's hero Eldrick Woods having 12 guys move a "loose impediment"....which was so much more blatantly against the rules, literal and "spirit and intent", and in fact celebrate it years later as a great moment in the history of the game.  

[TheInfidel]

Casual obervers on WRX would have to ask themselves why the 10th ranked player in the world can't get a club or apparrel deal?  Literally persona non grata on ALL tour trucks. 

Is it becasue he's a really misunderstood guy, or is it because multinational companies use marketing agencies to investigate brand value and realise that someone who acts like Reed does, conducts himself like Reed does and continually breaks or flirts with the rules of golf is bad for their image?  That's not to mention the toxic family set up in the backround, having his family ejected from tournaments, and running burner socials where he criticises other players, the USA Ryder Cup Team, and the policy for fans at majors. 

Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, and create a degree of seperation between the theory that winners are nice respectable guys, sometimes they're not.  As it stands I'm not sure Reed would pass the interview at several private clubs I know of and attend. 

[skyking]

8 hours ago, jds101086 said:

If that's all it takes you/we should hold him to a higher standard.

 

And...saying what he did was "perfect"... THAT alone told me all more than I wanted to know.

[BombinJim]

While he did nothing wrong per the official, moving the ball appears shady to the casual viewer, especially given his past lie “enhancements”, and could be interpreted as nefarious.

On a positive note, PR is highly entertaining to watch, has a fantastic approach/short game, and is essentially the Lex Luther of golf. He also has an IDGAF attitude about him, and continues that mantra by doing things like wearing red on Sunday.

[Emthree]

He seems to lack the ability to pick and choose his battles. Nobody that high up on tour needs the money to survive. You don’t need to skirt the rules so closely just to win the damn Farmers Insurance open ....  by 5 shots.

If he’s playing golf for money, he doesn’t seem to realise brand image is worth more $$$ than any number of ordinary tournament wins. If he’s playing golf to get all time win records and cement his place in history, that ship has almost certainly sailed. 

 

[braincramp52]

23 minutes ago, TheInfidel said:

Casual obervers on WRX would have to ask themselves why the 10th ranked player in the world can't get a club or apparrel deal?  Literally persona non grata on ALL tour trucks. 

Is it becasue he's a really misunderstood guy, or is it because multinational companies use marketing agencies to investigate brand value and realise that someone who acts like Reed does, conducts himself like Reed does and continually breaks or flirts with the rules of golf is bad for their image?  That's not to mention the toxic family set up in the backround, having his family ejected from tournaments, and running burner socials where he criticises other players, the USA Ryder Cup Team, and the policy for fans at majors. 

Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, and create a degree of seperation between the theory that winners are nice respectable guys, sometimes they're not.  As it stands I'm not sure Reed would pass the interview at several private clubs I know of and attend. 

There's getting to be more guys on tour that don't want a club deal. Reed is a club Ho and likes the freedom to play what he likes. Nothing wrong with that.

[JohnnyCashForever]

I've been a big fan of Patrick Reed since Day 1. It's pretty obvious that Messrs. Nance, Lerner, Chamblee, Schauflele, et. al. are not.  No need to explain why.  To each his own.  

 

On another note, when CBS got all of their talking heads on air to reminisce about "back in the day" and how they handled rules issues, I didn't know if the conversation said more about the changing culture on tour or their out-of-touch-ness with today's player.  Probably a little of both.  There definitely appears to be a more permissive attitude about touching the ball first and asking questions later among today's tour pros.  I don't know how you get that genie back into the bottle.

 

Finally, I don't know what they're paying Ken Tackett, but they need to double it. Or at least give a him a bottle of scotch at the end of each tournament.   

[BIM_Monkey]

11 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

There's getting to be more guys on tour that don't want a club deal. Reed is a club Ho and likes the freedom to play what he likes. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Great excuse for not being able to get a club deal. 

[bladehunter]

Lol.  This thread is example #1 of why.  The fact that the great herd think hates him , is a good reason to like him.  

[Hawkeye77]

3 hours ago, MattyO1984 said:

 

If it had been Sergio Garcia he’d have been hung, drawn and quartered by now.

If it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia it's never going to happen!

[Greg_B]

4 hours ago, SugarPenguin said:

Patrick would make a fantastic lawyer based on how he bends and perceives rulings.

 

Certainly better than the wannabe District Attorneys on here who are trying to twist the answer of "No, I didn't see it bounce" by the marshal to prove something else, what exactly, I'm not sure. Just stop.

[bladehunter]

40 minutes ago, TheInfidel said:

Casual obervers on WRX would have to ask themselves why the 10th ranked player in the world can't get a club or apparrel deal?  Literally persona non grata on ALL tour trucks. 

Is it becasue he's a really misunderstood guy, or is it because multinational companies use marketing agencies to investigate brand value and realise that someone who acts like Reed does, conducts himself like Reed does and continually breaks or flirts with the rules of golf is bad for their image?  That's not to mention the toxic family set up in the backround, having his family ejected from tournaments, and running burner socials where he criticises other players, the USA Ryder Cup Team, and the policy for fans at majors. 

Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, and create a degree of seperation between the theory that winners are nice respectable guys, sometimes they're not.  As it stands I'm not sure Reed would pass the interview at several private clubs I know of and attend. 

If I dare start the conversation......

 

 

I think a lot of the things you list are attractive in a way.  Not passing the interview at several private clubs is something that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.  Let’s call it Rodney Dangerfield syndrome.  There will always be misfits and snooty places that don’t allow them access.  
 

same for apparel deals. I said this with the JT incident. I believe it to be healthier to not have a deal and be allowed to exercise freedom of speech.  Even if it’s a word you shouldn’t use.  I personally don’t like the idea of having to be on a leash for $.  Which is probably why I’ve always worked for myself in a field where I’m alone a lot.  And I don’t consider myself a bad person for feeling that way.  

[TheInfidel]

17 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

There's getting to be more guys on tour that don't want a club deal. Reed is a club Ho and likes the freedom to play what he likes. Nothing wrong with that.

 

I hear you, equipment free agents have done well, and we love them on the WRX. 

I think there's a subtle difference between 1) Don't want or need a club deal and 2) Can't get a club/apparrel deal.  If you take a look at what Reed's wife said when he was "ditched" by Nike that will give you a bit of an insight.  Added to that, the Callaway guys threw a two day party when he got canned by them.  Reed then went on to use an independent club builder who has his truck on tour (SEG Golf) but I don't think that ended well either. 

[MattyO1984]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

If it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia it's never going to happen!

 

Patty better watch himself seen as that is exactly where he is headed next...

[caniac6]

When he moved the sand, they reviewed the video, determined that he violated a rule, and he received a penalty. At the Farmers, he called a rules official, the official did not indicate he did anything wrong, no penalty, so he did not cheat. Sometimes rules work to the players advantage. He could have just told his playing partners the ball was plugged,and moved it like Rory did, but he actually got the official to make a ruling. He might not be a warm and cuddly guy, but by getting a ruling, he did more than Rory, and I’m a big fan of Rory.

[TheInfidel]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

If I dare start the conversation......

 

 

I think a lot of the things you list are attractive in a way.  Not passing the interview at several private clubs is something that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.  Let’s call it Rodney Dangerfield syndrome.  There will always be misfits and snooty places that don’t allow them access.  
 

same for apparel deals. I said this with the JT incident. I believe it to be healthier to not have a deal and be allowed to exercise freedom of speech.  Even if it’s a word you shouldn’t use.  I personally don’t like the idea of having to be on a leash for $.  Which is probably why I’ve always worked for myself in a field where I’m alone a lot.  And I don’t consider myself a bad person for feeling that way.  

 

100% there is something in that, be your own man, and to hell with whatever everyone else thinks.  I admire some people who go the lone wolf route, without doubt. 

For professional athletes who operate in the tours/leagues I think there is a whole other world and when faced with banking really good $$$ they will tow the party line and play nice. 

 

The point I was making is that each of us will make our own mind up on Reed based on what we see and what we hear.  Some will like him and some will hate him, he's polarising.  But the thing I've found interesting is that he's been largely cast out by the main stream golf companies (again, that might make him appealing to you) but for me it tells me something extra, it tells me they don't want their brand associated to that player, and they will have good reasons behind that.  Very good reasons in fact because he's top ten in the world, is a hell of a player and wins regularly on the biggest of stages.  He can do all of these things and still remain a villain. 

[GoTime]

8 hours ago, bogeypro said:

Correct.  He couldn't see it.  He asked the marshall standing right there. She says it didn't bounce.  He has no way of knowing.  Rules say he can mark and pick it up, but not clean it. 

 

Cbs is just looking to grind an axe and make a story.  

 

Sure looked like Rory's caddie cleaned his ball....

[Greg_B]

To respond to the original premise of the thread, a huge number of people root/have rooted for Tiger despite questionable behavior for years towards his fellow competitors on-course and absolutely vile behavior off-course, which is now well-documented and likely even exceeds the Reed situation in regard to his family. It is quite possible to root for someone whom the media and the social media mobs are against. In fact if the social media mobs are against something/someone these day, it makes me look into the subject further because it probably means there is something there that I would agree with.

 

I remain somewhat puzzled by the CBS talking heads statements yesterday. First, why CBS felt it was necessary to begin their broadcast with all 4 of their clearly out-of-touch-with-the-rules commentators saying variations on the same thing, which came across as both piling on and also as very contradictory, given that their rules official led off by saying everything was done according to the rules as they are now written and interpreted. While the 4 voices' statements may have played well to the mob, to me it felt a lot like what we have seen in political coverage of late (not to get into that) where you are either totally to one extreme or the other with no nuance allowed in between, and with media outlets feeling they have to shape their coverage to take a position on one side or the other as opposed to just presenting the facts and letting the viewer decide for themselves. It was not the best day for CBS Golf, their otherwise fine technical presentation aside. I hope the new CBS golf producer learns from this weekend and does not follow this path in the future.

[bladehunter]

1 minute ago, TheInfidel said:

 

100% there is something in that, be your own man, and to hell with whatever everyone else thinks.  I admire some people who go the lone wolf route, without doubt. 

For professional athletes who operate in the tours/leagues I think there is a whole other world and when faced with banking really good $$$ they will tow the party line and play nice. 

 

The point I was making is that each of us will make our own mind up on Reed based on what we see and what we hear.  Some will like him and some will hate him, he's polarising.  But the thing I've found interesting is that he's been largely cast out by the main stream golf companies (again, that might make him appealing to you) but for me it tells me something extra, it tells me they don't want their brand associated to that player, and they will have good reasons behind that.  Very good reasons in fact because he's top ten in the world, is a hell of a player and wins regularly on the biggest of stages.  He can do all of these things and still remain a villain. 

Yep. I see what you’re saying.  And certainly some truth to it.  
 

 

as far as the guy himself. I’d love to know the truth for myself.  30 minutes alone and I’d know.  But I haven’t had the chance.  But a couple here have.  And they give glowing accounts ( forgedforever) and one other semi famous athlete I won’t name since he asked me not to a while back.  That doesn’t make my mind up. But it certainly makes me not jump on the torches and pitch fork bandwagon that flames away here.  Lol.  Especially in this incident where they watched Rory do the same exact thing , and are willing to give him a complete pass for it.  
 

at any rate.  Let’s think about the microscope he’s been under.  All that attention and scrutiny and the best they’ve found lately is him following the rules.  Lol. So now they are griping about what the rules allow.  It’s nuts.