i210 magic dust

[drumdude96]

Hallelujah!  I FINALLY found a set of lefty i210 for a great price and they are like-new.  Wrong shafts, but I'm putting Recoil 110's in them anyway, so I had to jump on them.  I'm extremely excited to jump on the i210 bandwagon.  I'm hoping they flight a bit lower than my G25's with the same distance.  It was between the i210 and JPX921 SEL.  I think the Mizunos might have been a bit too demanding, and they cost quite a bit more, so I believe I made the right choice.  The anticipation is killing me! 🤪

[ChrisLC40]

1 hour ago, drumdude96 said:

Hallelujah!  I FINALLY found a set of lefty i210 for a great price and they are like-new.  Wrong shafts, but I'm putting Recoil 110's in them anyway, so I had to jump on them.  I'm extremely excited to jump on the i210 bandwagon.  I'm hoping they flight a bit lower than my G25's with the same distance.  It was between the i210 and JPX921 SEL.  I think the Mizunos might have been a bit too demanding, and they cost quite a bit more, so I believe I made the right choice.  The anticipation is killing me! 🤪

 

Strong choice imo. I switched to the SEL's at the beginning of the year, but put the i210's back in the bag mid-May. The SEL's are nice, but I can't afford to be a club shorter with them vs. the i210s. And don't tell anyone but I think the i210's feel quite a bit better than the SEL's.

[DFDLT]

Well if they feel better than the Forged, they will definitely feel better than the Hot Metal Pro. Supposed to arrive tomorrow but Fed Ex so I’m not holding my breath.

[SwooshLT]

9 hours ago, drumdude96 said:

Hallelujah!  I FINALLY found a set of lefty i210 for a great price and they are like-new.  Wrong shafts, but I'm putting Recoil 110's in them anyway, so I had to jump on them.  I'm extremely excited to jump on the i210 bandwagon.  I'm hoping they flight a bit lower than my G25's with the same distance.  It was between the i210 and JPX921 SEL.  I think the Mizunos might have been a bit too demanding, and they cost quite a bit more, so I believe I made the right choice.  The anticipation is killing me! 🤪

 

 

I'm loving my i210s but for different reasons.....these are NOT distance irons.....I don't think they will fly as far as the G425s....they will be probably the most CONSISTENT irons you've played.....really tight dispersion especially in carry yardages. 

[drumdude96]

1 hour ago, SwooshLT said:

 

 

I'm loving my i210s but for different reasons.....these are NOT distance irons.....I don't think they will fly as far as the G425s....they will be probably the most CONSISTENT irons you've played.....really tight dispersion especially in carry yardages. 

I have G25s, not G425s. The lofts are very similar between the G25 and i210, so I assume they will go around the same distance.  I definitely want a little lower trajectory and more workability than I get with the G25. I expect the i210 will deliver.

[SwooshLT]

8 hours ago, drumdude96 said:

I have G25s, not G425s. The lofts are very similar between the G25 and i210, so I assume they will go around the same distance.  I definitely want a little lower trajectory and more workability than I get with the G25. I expect the i210 will deliver.

 

 

My bad and I hope they work as expected .....I'm lefty also and these have been a DREAM to play! 4-U  and I added glide wedges 2.0 54/60 .....the 60 is the low bounce TS grind and it is quickly becoming my favorite.  

Edited June 26, 2021 by SwooshLT

[erock9174]

I’m not all that well versed with Maltbys mpf  ratings but why do the i200 and i210 rate so low on his chart ?  I came from SGI hollow body irons to i200’s and find them pretty easy to hit and decently forgiving. 

[DFDLT]

Well mine were loaded on the Fed Ex truck for delivery this morning and of course it was the wrong truck so now we wait until Monday. 

[Tupperwolf]

1 hour ago, erock9174 said:

I’m not all that well versed with Maltbys mpf  ratings but why do the i200 and i210 rate so low on his chart ?  I came from SGI hollow body irons to i200’s and find them pretty easy to hit and decently forgiving. 

That nonsense comes from good intentions but is just that, nonsense.  IMO nobody should consider the "MPF" in any purchase.  It's probably harms more players that use it as a deciding factor than actually helping.  According to his chart the Blueprint irons are suitable for "better players" up to 14 handicap while i210s are "difficult to play" and "for very good players only" up to 5 cap only which is clearly complete horse doo doo.

[Jeff58]

1 hour ago, erock9174 said:

I’m not all that well versed with Maltbys mpf  ratings but why do the i200 and i210 rate so low on his chart ?  I came from SGI hollow body irons to i200’s and find them pretty easy to hit and decently forgiving. 

The main reason is that Maltby’s calculation isn’t advanced enough to take the magic fairy dust into account, and only considers their oddly high vertical CG.

[erock9174]

11 minutes ago, Jeff58 said:

The main reason is that Maltby’s calculation isn’t advanced enough to take the magic fairy dust into account, and only considers their oddly high vertical CG.

So the high cG is what drives the i200-210 score down?  

[Jeff58]

2 minutes ago, erock9174 said:

So the high cG is what drives the i200-210 score down?  

Yes, but it has to be that way for them to function. Their makeup is unusual. They are the size and general weighting configuration of a game improvement set, but with the lofts of a conventional players model. If Ping left the CG in place, they would have a wildly high launch characteristic. Instead, they took some of the sole area and distributed it around the perimeter, which makes them unusually stable (and accurate) for a player’s model. For the i210, it’s even higher than the i200, which allowed them to apply the magic (hydro pearl) dust and add micro grooves, both of which contribute to their high level of spin consistency, which again would be too great in a conventional GI head.

Maltby is a useful statistic for general comparison, but it’s not necessarily perfect.

[kiwihacker]

The i210s have always been an iron that appeals to me. A buddy of mine recently got a shiny new set. Yesterday during a round he had hit a poor drive and duffed a second shot and was playing his 3rd from about 160 yards. I decided to drop a spare ball and have a swing with his irons. 160 is sort of between a 7 iron and a 6 iron with my clubs so I grabbed his 7, setup and took a swing. Oh baby i nailed that shot, beautiful high ball flight and the ball finished up about 4 feet from the pin. 

 

My irons felt decidedly crummy for the remainder of the round. It's like just one kiss from a beautiful girl and I'm in love! ❤💕

[erock9174]

11 hours ago, Jeff58 said:

Yes, but it has to be that way for them to function. Their makeup is unusual. They are the size and general weighting configuration of a game improvement set, but with the lofts of a conventional players model. If Ping left the CG in place, they would have a wildly high launch characteristic. Instead, they took some of the sole area and distributed it around the perimeter, which makes them unusually stable (and accurate) for a player’s model. For the i210, it’s even higher than the i200, which allowed them to apply the magic (hydro pearl) dust and add micro grooves, both of which contribute to their high level of spin consistency, which again would be too great in a conventional GI head.

Maltby is a useful statistic for general comparison, but it’s not necessarily perfect.

Very good explanation. Thanks. 

does the higher CG add spin also?  Reason I ask is when I demo the i210’s in the shop they tend the have the most launch and spin. Granted they are usually weaker lofted than what I normally compare them to but it’s always consistently higher which is what I need. 
 

back when I used to play the 588 Altitude irons they spun decently well for me. They were around 500 mpF and for an SGI had a higher CG. The newer editions (HB launchers and Turbos) have a higher MPF rating but seek to spin way less for me and gave a lower CG. So I was thinking the CG really impacted spin. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by erock9174

[NRJyzr]

1 hour ago, erock9174 said:

Very good explanation. Thanks. 

does the higher CG add spin also?  Reason I ask is when I demo the i210’s in the shop they tend the have the most launch and spin. Granted they are usually weaker lofted than what I normally compare them to but it’s always consistently higher which is what I need. 
 

back when I used to play the 588 Altitude irons they spun decently well for me. They were around 500 mpF and for an SGI had a higher CG. The newer editions (HB launchers and Turbos) have a higher MPF rating but seek to spin way less for me and gave a lower CG. So I was thinking the CG really impacted spin. 

 

Yes, higher CG adds spin.  Its one of the things learned in the Driver CG Wars, as companies learned how to create low spin clubs.

 

All those early metalwood years where they pushed the CG up for higher speed players, and they were only making it worse for them.  🤔

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by NRJyzr

[SwooshLT]

14 hours ago, Jeff58 said:

Yes, but it has to be that way for them to function. Their makeup is unusual. They are the size and general weighting configuration of a game improvement set, but with the lofts of a conventional players model. If Ping left the CG in place, they would have a wildly high launch characteristic. Instead, they took some of the sole area and distributed it around the perimeter, which makes them unusually stable (and accurate) for a player’s model. For the i210, it’s even higher than the i200, which allowed them to apply the magic (hydro pearl) dust and add micro grooves, both of which contribute to their high level of spin consistency, which again would be too great in a conventional GI head.

Maltby is a useful statistic for general comparison, but it’s not necessarily perfect.

 

 

Those ever so "slight" changes.....cg, grooves and hydropearl .....also the additional elastomer......how much do you think the i210 and i200 differ in feel and performance? 

[Jeff58]

44 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

 

Those ever so "slight" changes.....cg, grooves and hydropearl .....also the additional elastomer......how much do you think the i210 and i200 differ in feel and performance? 

You can pretty much see what Ping did in this picture I think.

 

 

The elastomer is far larger and the weight “bar” extends into the middle of the face, raising the CG.

 

An really excellent comparison is Michael Newton’s -

 

Ping i210 Iron VS Ping i200 Iron video.

 

A thing he doesn’t point out (since he is only using a single ball) is that the i210 doesn’t feel much different with a low to moderate compression ball. However, with your typical X series model, they feel significantly softer and tend to remove the annoying clicky feel/sound almost entirely.

 

[Nixhex524]

On 6/26/2021 at 5:32 AM, SwooshLT said:

 

 

My bad and I hope they work as expected .....I'm lefty also and these have been a DREAM to play! 4-U  and I added glide wedges 2.0 54/60 .....the 60 is the low bounce TS grind and it is quickly becoming my favorite.  

 

I didn't find the love for the i210, though they were very good, but the Ping wedges are so under the radar it isn't funny.  I LOVE my Glide 2.0 stealths.  My 58/10 has 2 rounds on it with NO practice and I have been hitting all kinds of shots that just die by the hole.  So good.  

[SwooshLT]

1 hour ago, Jeff58 said:

You can pretty much see what Ping did in this picture I think.

 

 

The elastomer is far larger and the weight “bar” extends into the middle of the face, raising the CG.

 

An really excellent comparison is Michael Newton’s -

 

Ping i210 Iron VS Ping i200 Iron video.

 

A thing he doesn’t point out (since he is only using a single ball) is that the i210 doesn’t feel much different with a low to moderate compression ball. However, with your typical X series model, they feel significantly softer and tend to remove the annoying clicky feel/sound almost entirely.

 

 

I'm playing 2019 prov1x .....funny you brought this up!

[nostatic]

On 6/26/2021 at 6:30 PM, Jeff58 said:

The main reason is that Maltby’s calculation isn’t advanced enough to take the magic fairy dust into account, and only considers their oddly high vertical CG.

so MPF doesn’t account for MFD but does use vCG.

 

vry intrstng

[DFDLT]

FedEx got me my i210’s yesterday and I opened them up today after a 24 hour work shift. Ordered from PGASS as they were the only place I found new ones in stock. Thought I was getting TT DG S300 but actually received TT DG 120 S300 which is fine by me.  They’re the same weight as my current modus 105 x.  Happy with my purchase so far but haven’t hit them yet. The head size seems to be almost exactly the same as my JPX 919 HMP but with a tad more offset but I knew that already by the specs. 

[North Butte]

On 6/27/2021 at 1:00 PM, Jeff58 said:

However, with your typical X series model, they feel significantly softer and tend to remove the annoying clicky feel/sound almost entirely.

 

Not that it means anything about anything but I'll point out that there are a small minority of us out there who LIKE that clicky/feel sound. 

[nilopol]

On 6/7/2021 at 5:33 AM, nilopol said:

There is another post on here which I'm to lazy to find for you (sorry) that talks about the i210 delivery times.  I ordered 4/16 with expected ship date 6/15 quoted from 2nd swing.  So average seems to be 8-10 week from order to ship.  So I'm still waiting.  I don't exchange clubs often, however this taught me to have a old back up set. 

Update in that my order was now back ordered to Mid July.  Component issue which I believe might be the Px Lz shafts.  Canceled and was lucky enough for a set of PXG 0211 with LZ 6.0 and 1 degree flat lie.  I'm going for it.  

[hwnstyle21]

Just picked up my retrofitted set. I really like the Team MCC Plus4 grips but beware they are HEAVY. 

 

Irons: Ping 210 5-U

Shafts: 110 Recoil Prototype F4 (Custom Black/White)

Ferrules: BB&F Scarlet and Silver

Grips: Team MCC Plus4 Dark Red and White

 

If you need a fast and efficient builder in the LA area, I recommend contacting Dave with DC Custom Golf. 

 

 

[BgSprings87]

Chime in ….

 

got the I210 last week. Played yesterday. Wow are these incredible. Absolutely love the profile of them and the feel is awesome. I have zero complaints. Feel better than anything I’ve hit. 

[ALIF]

The i210 kicked my eye 2 out of the bag about 2.5 yrs ago

[Redpro]

I played the Ping i210's a few years ago. I loved them, but turf conditions had to be perfect for me to play them because of the bounce and pronounced ridge on the sole of the club. Then I heard of the Hovland grind. I asked Noah at Bo Hodnett's GolfTech in Plano, Texas about the grind. He explained how he could grind off the ridge and lessen the bounce. I gave him two sets of i210's, one was a bit more aggressive than the first set. I am now getting through the firm turf we have here in DFW and hitting more greens. I think I added to the "magic dust" in my own way and I cannot be happier about the grind. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Redpro

[gandrukat]

I played Callaway foreverrrr, 15+ years and decided to switch things up and try i200. They quickly became my new obsession, absolutely loved them. Upgraded to the i210 and loved them even more. I got greedy and sold them for a set of i500, big mistake, huge! They didn’t treat me well so I sold them and bought a new i210 set. No plans to change irons, pure butter and I would highly recommend them to any serious golfer out there. 

[Flip4000]

On 6/26/2021 at 8:29 PM, Tupperwolf said:

That nonsense comes from good intentions but is just that, nonsense.  IMO nobody should consider the "MPF" in any purchase.  It's probably harms more players that use it as a deciding factor than actually helping.  According to his chart the Blueprint irons are suitable for "better players" up to 14 handicap while i210s are "difficult to play" and "for very good players only" up to 5 cap only which is clearly complete horse doo doo.

I suspect some how the 2 clubs got mixed up on the list

Edited July 6, 2021 by Flip4000

[ShAMbotay]

5 hours ago, Redpro said:

I played the Ping i210's a few years ago. I loved them, but turf conditions had to be perfect for me to play them because of the bounce and pronounced ridge on the sole of the club. Then I heard of the Hovland grind. I asked Noah at Bo Hodnett's GolfTec in Plano, Texas about the grind. He explained how he could grind off the ridge and lessen the bounce. I gave him two sets of i210's, one was a bit more aggressive than the first set. I am now getting through the firm turf we have here in DFW and hitting more greens. I think I added to the "magic dust" in my own way and I cannot be happier about the grind. 

Bo is awesome, but you have made a critical error.

 

Bo owns Golf Tech, which is decidedly not Golftec. There was a small legal battle that happened when Golftec decided it was a good idea to tell Bo that he couldn't use their name.

 

Bo turned around and simply said "I've been here longer, how about YOU stop using MY store's name!" and they both elected to cease the legal argument.

 

Back to the topic at hand, yeah, i210's are magical. went from PXG 0211's to i210's that I built myself, and I couldn't be happier with how they're doing for me. My first round with them was a 78, which is 2 strokes away from a personal best. I did mess up the ferrule on the U club, though, so I'm going to have to fix that, eventually.

Edited July 6, 2021 by ShAMbotay
forgot to talk about i210 magic dust