Are Cobra in trouble now?

[chouls19]

I’m a massive Cobra fan. Some like Ping, Callaway I’m a big fan of Cobra. After the Bryson incident do you think that the brand are going to suffer. Every review of Rad /XB has been good. Their irons are great. Would be sad if this screwed them. Ian Fraser rates their team as some of the best around. Interested to hear others opinion

[MPAndreassi]

Absolutely not. I think a lot of people take what Bryson said for exactly what it was, a temper tantrum. As intriguing of a player as he is, I don’t think he generates a whole bunch of sales. Not with the golfers I know and play with at least. I don’t know anyone playing one length or Cobra stuff because of Bryson. The closest I’ve experienced in the real world is one buddy going arm lock, but he couldn’t putt it in the ocean from a dock before. 

[GrandStranded]

I think Cobra coming back at Bryson the way they did will actually help them, if anything.

I say “if anything” because the only people who know about the comments you’re referring to are avid golfers, and we all know Bryson is gonna Bryson, so we took his comments with a grain of salt.

Unlike a lot of people here, I like and root for him, but he was out of line the other day. I think his frustration got the better of him, but that’s no excuse to act out like the child Cobra called him out on acting like.

[GrandStranded]

1 minute ago, MPAndreassi said:

Absolutely not. I think a lot of people take what Bryson said for exactly what it was, a temper tantrum. As intriguing of a player as he is, I don’t think he generates a whole bunch of sales. Not with the golfers I know and play with at least. I don’t know anyone playing one length or Cobra stuff because of Bryson. The closest I’ve experienced in the real world is one buddy going arm lock, but he couldn’t putt it in the ocean from a dock before. 

LOL I’d argue the complete opposite.

No other single player is more responsible for generating specific sales than he is.

The only guy carrying the OL banner is Bryson. He’s the reason you’re friends are playing them, or thinking about playing them.

He also is the “arm lock guy” and has put SIK on the map.

Everything he does both equipment and strategy wise makes other golfers think, and talk about. Nobody else comes close.

[PEI_Golfer]

26 minutes ago, john myrbch said:

LOL I’d argue the complete opposite.

No other single player is more responsible for generating specific sales than he is.

The only guy carrying the OL banner is Bryson. He’s the reason you’re friends are playing them, or thinking about playing them.

He also is the “arm lock guy” and has put SIK on the map.

Everything he does both equipment and strategy wise makes other golfers think, and talk about. Nobody else comes close.

 

 

Very, very few play OL, and it is easy to find many sets for sale in likely any area.  Personally I'd look at Wishon or Edel when I think of SL/OL, not Bryson, but I'm not an occasional.  I'd also like to know the sales numbers of current SL/OL iron sets vs. 2 years ago when it was more of a fad.

 

Bryson doesn't move anything for Cobra in any meaningful way.  Everyone who watches and has an ounce of brain matter knows how much work goes into the clubs he has and that nothing OTR is even close.

 

If anything, RF even at 500th in the world would sell more product than BD at 1st and has a fan base 10x bigger at least.  How many copper sets of a BD limited release would sell vs. the RF33s that RF doesn't even play?

 

How many other golfers are trying to gain 40 lbs?  Playing rebar for shafts?  Playing a 5* driver?  Playing an 11* "3 wood"?  Wearing a stupid hard (sorry Payne)?  If anything, this is reinforcing some players to "play their own game" rather than chase massive distance gains and end up Luke Donald and many others.  The youth coming up are already more speed oriented and better athletes than those of 10 years ago, that has nothing to do with BD currently.  Are any in the JR ranks playing OL/SL now that he has been a known commodity for 7-8 years now?

Edited July 19, 2021 by PEI_Golfer

[Mainehacker21]

I would certainly hope people wouldn't make their decision based on the take of a whiny pro whose style of play is so drastically different than most average golfers. If you couldn't tell I can't stand Bryson...your question is a fair one though

Edited July 19, 2021 by Mainehacker21

[DHoch]

Cobra will be fine - Bryson is their most notable representative, but far from their only. Rickie Fowler and Lexi Thompson are good names to have on the brand, and if the products are good, people will play them. For me, Cobra is always the brand that isn't afraid to try something different, and it's why I picked up the RadSpeed irons when I went looking for GI irons. 42.5 degree PW? It's mad, but the clubs are good.

[lefthack]

I respect Cobra more for the response to his statement. Not to say it might not still suck, but they have a team of folks trying to make you happy. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

[Nevek]

I believe that the majority of the addressable market for cobra neither is aware of the current Bryson tantrum and more importantly that he is using some franken driven from 3 years ago instead of a radspeed driver

[Pepperturbo]

If anyone suffers, it will be Bryson, only it isn't likely to be published.  Cobra still has well-mannered Rickie Fowler; he's more a flagship ambassador than others.

[DHoch]

It was completely asinine thing to say. There isn't anything in Bryson's bag he hasn't tested a bajillion times. It's just his nature, but I'm glad Cobra called him on it. 

[JayMas]

Bryson apologized almost immediately and really took all the blame for being a child. Cobra's response was great, and Bryson seems to know he was totally wrong and sounded dumb.

 

So...I think Cobra will be fine.

[betarhoalphadelta]

50 minutes ago, MPAndreassi said:

I don’t know anyone playing one length or Cobra stuff because of Bryson.  

 

41 minutes ago, john myrbch said:

 

The only guy carrying the OL banner is Bryson. He’s the reason you’re friends are playing them, or thinking about playing them.

 

 

15 minutes ago, PEI_Golfer said:

 

 

Very, very few play OL, and it is easy to find many sets for sale in likely any area.  Personally I'd look at Wishon or Edel when I think of SL/OL, not Bryson, but I'm not an occasional.  I'd also like to know the sales numbers of current SL/OL iron sets vs. 2 years ago when it was more of a fad.

 

 

I just started playing OL. I'm not playing them because of Bryson, per se. In the sense that I am not playing OL because Bryson plays them, nor because of anything Bryson has said about them. 

 

But I don't know if they would have bubbled up to be popular enough that I would have considered them without Bryson, if that makes sense.

 

So I am not playing them because of Bryson, but it's possible that I wouldn't be playing them without him. 

 

I went with Wishon, though, not Cobra.

[GrandStranded]

13 minutes ago, PEI_Golfer said:

 

 

Very, very few play OL, and it is easy to find many sets for sale in likely any area.  Personally I'd look at Wishon or Edel when I think of SL/OL, not Bryson, but I'm not an occasional.  I'd also like to know the sales numbers of current SL/OL iron sets vs. 2 years ago when it was more of a fad.

 

Bryson doesn't move anything for Cobra in any meaningful way.  Everyone who watches and has an ounce of brain matter knows how much work goes into the clubs he has and that nothing OTR is even close.

 

If anything, RF even at 500th in the world would sell more product than BD at 1st and has a fan base 10x bigger at least.  How many copper sets of a BD limited release would sell vs. the RF33s that RF doesn't even play?

 

How many other golfers are trying to gain 40 lbs?  Playing rebar for shafts?  Playing a 5* driver?  Playing an 11* "3 wood"?  Wearing a stupid hard (sorry Payne)?  If anything, this is reinforcing some players to "play their own game" rather than chase massive distance gains and end up Luke Donald and many others.  The youth coming up are already more speed oriented and better athletes than those of 10 years ago, that has nothing to do with BD currently.  Are any in the JR ranks playing OL/SL now that he has been a known commodity for 7-8 years now?

Bryson seems to be living rent free between someone’s ears, lol.

On one hand you claim nobody cares, then typed a 500 word essay which proved not only do you care,  but you care way more than most of us.

You just don’t like him though, which is your prerogative. Your dislike aside, the guy moves the needle as does RF, so I agree with you there. 
Cobra has chosen their spokespeople well. Bryson, Rickie and Lexi are great choices.

[GrandStranded]

6 minutes ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

 

 

I just started playing OL. I'm not playing them because of Bryson, per se. In the sense that I am not playing OL because Bryson plays them, nor because of anything Bryson has said about them. 

 

But I don't know if they would have bubbled up to be popular enough that I would have considered them without Bryson, if that makes sense.

 

So I am not playing them because of Bryson, but it's possible that I wouldn't be playing them without him. 

 

I went with Wishon, though, not Cobra.

Thank you for that post, and your honesty.

That was my point, you made it better than I did however.

[GrandStranded]

4 minutes ago, john myrbch said:

Bryson seems to be living rent free between a lot of ears, lol.

On one hand you claim nobody cares, then typed a 500 word essay which proved not only do you care,  but you care way more than most of us.

You just don’t like him though, which is your prerogative. Your dislike aside, the guy moves the needle as does RF, so I agree with you there. 
Cobra has chosen their spokespeople well. Bryson, Rickie and Lexi are great choices.

 

[PEI_Golfer]

6 minutes ago, john myrbch said:

Bryson seems to be living rent free between someone’s ears, lol.

On one hand you claim nobody cares, then typed a 500 word essay which proved not only do you care,  but you care way more than most of us.

You just don’t like him though, which is your prerogative. Your dislike aside, the guy moves the needle as does RF, so I agree with you there. 
Cobra has chosen their spokespeople well. Bryson, Rickie and Lexi are great choices.

 

Hey thanks for typing out my opinion for me...

 

As for my "500 word essay", you're now the post count leader in here, so who cares more...

 

Sorry if countering your "fact based opinion" needed more than 3 words, I'll try harder next time...

[boggyman]

I have dabbled in their OL irons. Played the F8, F9, and have a set of Rad Speeds currently I’ve got a few rounds on. Still have an F8 hybrid as well. Play them for a few reasons other than that BD plays them. It somewhat simplies things for me as I’m currently not playing as much as I’d like due to unforeseen reasons outta my control. I really like the OL idea.  I read where the OL is a majority of Cobra iron sales but have only ever saw one other set in play in the wild. Regardless, BD spoke out of turn bashing the hands that feed him, plain and simple. Hopefully he will get back to his “old” form soon.  Look what happened to another well known pro earlier in the year when he spoke his mind and thought no one was watching. Cobra isn’t going anywhere. They’re just underrated like a few other OEMs in my eyes. 

[hammergolf]

1 hour ago, chouls19 said:

I’m a massive Cobra fan. Some like Ping, Callaway I’m a big fan of Cobra. After the Bryson incident do you think that the brand are going to suffer. Every review of Rad /XB has been good. Their irons are great. Would be sad if this screwed them. Ian Fraser rates their team as some of the best around. Interested to hear others opinion

No way. Their product performs very well. A nonsense statement by a an idiot in an interview doesn’t change that. In fact, if I were in control at Cobra, he would have been released from his contract today….

[NJBigFish22]

Cobra will be fine, in the long run Bryson may have more of an issue, with what he said, his caddie quitting, when his deal with Cobra expires, others may not want to deal with the headaches, for a guy that is an outlier.  

[PJE]

No, it won't hurt Cobra at all. 
DeChambeau came across as a foolish whiner. Cobra's Tour Rep. emphasized how much R & D goes into Cobra clubs (it doesn't matter that the R &D in this situation is for BAD's benefit) and ultimately Cobra received free publicity at the expense to BAD's reputation. 

Cobra will be fine. 

[getitdaily]

Cobra will be fine. Their drivers perform and are cheaper than the big boys. If they incorporated heel/toe mwt then they'd be a bigger player.

 

 

[Red4282]

Well it gives them an opportunity and a narrative for there next driver at least… lol

[ProjectX]

1 hour ago, john myrbch said:

LOL I’d argue the complete opposite.

No other single player is more responsible for generating specific sales than he is.

The only guy carrying the OL banner is Bryson. He’s the reason you’re friends are playing them, or thinking about playing them.

He also is the “arm lock guy” and has put SIK on the map.

Everything he does both equipment and strategy wise makes other golfers think, and talk about. Nobody else comes close.

Matt Kuchar is THE Arm Lock Guy and the other pros on tour thinking about going arm lock don't seek out Bryson, they seek out Kuchar for advice.

[jplroper]

I doubt if this will hurt Cobra. As a side note, don't they make quite a few drivers for the Long Drive competitors? Those guys use low lofts and have monster swing speeds, I know the shafts are longer but it shouldn't be to be a deal to get something that would work for him, unless he is so inconstant that nothing would work.

[Flyers99]

I don’t think it hurts Cobra. From what I read and hear I don’t believe Bryson is overly well liked. I agree, I do t believe he moves the needle too much for Cobra. Cobra’s response was great and I think their brand will be unaffected. 

[Phabs]

If you think the weight of one clowns words will impact a multi hundred million dollar brand you’re out of your mind. 
 

All it will do is hurt the clowns credibility.  Which is already a joke anyway. 

[Strategery]

LOL, people trying to spin this away. Bryson is Cobra's biggest name and he talked smack about brand in a worldwide setting. Cobra should have fired him on the spot, just like what happened with JT & Ralph Lauren.

[kasting333]

Cobra sucks tbh. Bryson was the first to win a major with cobra since who? Oglivy?

 

I hope Bryson makes his own independent/Big Baller Brand type of clubs 😂.
 

Or just become a free agent. It’s always interesting to see what he’s playing and would be even more so with all the brands rushing to get in his bag. 

[MPAndreassi]

1 hour ago, john myrbch said:

LOL I’d argue the complete opposite.

No other single player is more responsible for generating specific sales than he is.

The only guy carrying the OL banner is Bryson. He’s the reason you’re friends are playing them, or thinking about playing them.

He also is the “arm lock guy” and has put SIK on the map.

Everything he does both equipment and strategy wise makes other golfers think, and talk about. Nobody else comes close.

I’m not going to try to argue with you or speak logically since you seem to be one of the Bryson camp based on your posts in this thread. However, if you read my post I said I don’t know a single person playing anything remotely close to anything in Bryson’s bag. The only exception is a friend who used to anchor, long and belly,  but moved to armlock after struggling post anchoring ban. I’d hardly credit Bryson for this move. As mentioned later in this thread Kuchar was the first to armlock. 

 

1 hour ago, JayMas said:

Bryson apologized almost immediately and really took all the blame for being a child. Cobra's response was great, and Bryson seems to know he was totally wrong and sounded dumb.

 

So...I think Cobra will be fine.

You mean the apology that sounded like Cobra wrote it and forced Bryson to read it? 😂