LIV with some big money announcements (*** TOPIC MODERATED ***)

[Ghost of Snead]

1 hour ago, oikos1 said:

So I'm not surprised you completely missed the point, which is the PGA Tour made a terrible decision to suspend players when you and everyone else knows they aren't playing these tournaments anyway.

 

You just can't get passed that the players aren't the villains and it's two competing tours having a battle.  And the PGA Tour is as much responsible, and should be held accountable, for losing players as the LIV Tour is for taking them.

 

The PGA Tour suspensions had zero to do with what tournaments the defectors were scheduled to play. If Monahan had permitted all Tour players to accept guaranteed cash from the Saudi government without repercussions, many more would have gone and played both. Hardly a terrible decision to suspend.

 

And without Greg Norman's 30 year old vendetta against the PGA Tour, there would be no LIV tour. How is the PGA Tour responsible for a foreign government over-paying a group of mostly 40-something players with OWGR(s) higher than the Mendoza line ? 

    

    

Edited July 30, 2022 by Ghost of Snead

[NJBigFish22]

1 hour ago, manku said:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/30/davis-love-iiis-response-to-liv-golf-disruption-get-players-to-boycott-major/

 

No one ever confused athletes with rocket scientists!

 

 

I always liked DLIII, but this might be 1 of the dumbest things said about this. If the top 150 decided to boycott the US Open, they would still hold the tournament with a bunch of no name qualifiers. As for the PC and RC, I really don’t think the players care that much about playing in them.  In order to get them to play, they had to pony up money for each players charity of choice, plus the week doesn’t seem all that fun with all the obligations required. The majors are probably the only thing that they may regret missing out on, but even that may not be true for some.

[jls667]

56 minutes ago, caniac6 said:

I’m tired of conflict. I wish this would just go away.

 

I said that many many pages back. LIV has done nothing but fracture the golf community. Like LIV, don't like LIV...doesn't matter. We've all been losing. Watered down fields. Bickering. Insult slinging.

 

Its a sad time in the golf world. I can never get behind anyone or anything that selfishly causes such damage to healthy systems and relationships. 

[CaymanS]

Pardon my ignorance, but can team members get kicked out of their team for poor play?  And if so, what happens to them?

[jdl]

17 hours ago, lowheel said:

Nothing you just posted negates anything i said. Berger withdrawing from a tournament because of injury isnt the same thing as a legit rumor from a credible source. Were talking golf insiders/writers rumors but you knew that already. lots of players tweeting out denials. Spieth did too and he was never rumored...

So as i said we'll come back here in the fall and see where we stand but i doubt you will

LOL!

 

Uh, we were talking about RUMORS IN THIS VERY THREAD!!!

 

Which you claimed had all come true.

 

But now you're wearing yourself out moving the goalposts around and apparently it's making you pretty cranky. 🤣

 

"legit rumor from a credible source"

 

 

Oh, I will be here....not going anywhere.

[jdl]

2 hours ago, manku said:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/30/davis-love-iiis-response-to-liv-golf-disruption-get-players-to-boycott-major/

 

No one ever confused athletes with rocket scientists!

 

 

[mitchl]

44 minutes ago, CaymanS said:

Pardon my ignorance, but can team members get kicked out of their team for poor play?  And if so, what happens to them?

I think there is something about that in the relegation process announced earlier this week.

[CDM]

3 hours ago, manku said:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/30/davis-love-iiis-response-to-liv-golf-disruption-get-players-to-boycott-major/

 

No one ever confused athletes with rocket scientists!

 

 

 

What you say Davis.... sounds like a great idea.  I for one would be down to watch the riveting action of Espen Kofstad and Louis De Jager battle for the win at Masters  🤣

[Gregakin]

1 hour ago, CaymanS said:

Pardon my ignorance, but can team members get kicked out of their team for poor play?  And if so, what happens to them?

Easy there, we are making it up as we go.  Apparently there will also be future 'competition' to keep ones playing status.  Well, unless you're a captain, then it won't matter. Might be a case of a players league, with perceived say in policy, but only if you can hold your own. 

[Ghost of Snead]

1 hour ago, NJBigFish22 said:

I always liked DLIII, but this might be 1 of the dumbest things said about this. If the top 150 decided to boycott the US Open, they would still hold the tournament with a bunch of no name qualifiers. As for the PC and RC, I really don’t think the players care that much about playing in them.  In order to get them to play, they had to pony up money for each players charity of choice, plus the week doesn’t seem all that fun with all the obligations required. The majors are probably the only thing that they may regret missing out on, but even that may not be true for some.

 

So if this is true, we should see a lot of players jumping to LIV right after the Fedex Cup b/c the President's Cup is not as important as a team battle on LIV. Am I right ? 

[BMC]

468 pages for Golf Tour nobody is interested in watching?  Madness.  Madness.

[NJBigFish22]

31 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

So if this is true, we should see a lot of players jumping to LIV right after the Fedex Cup b/c the President's Cup is not as important as a team battle on LIV. Am I right ? 

You literally had the captain of the upcoming Ryder Cup team willing/or certainly aware that he could lose his captaincy, go to LIV. To me that’s a pretty big statement.  Also the guy who just had a 5-0 record in the last RC, being the first to jump.  You have 4 of the best Euro players, albeit older leave, I don’t think it is as important to them as it is to fans.

[Titleist99]

57 minutes ago, CDM said:

 

What you say Davis.... sounds like a great idea.  I for one would be down to watch the riveting action of Espen Kofstad and Louis De Jager battle for the win at Masters  🤣

I'd love a Masters boycott for the Chaos....LOL!

But if we know one thing about the Masters, they do not like being told what to do. They may continue with L I V exhibition players and a couple of amateurs....

[Titleist99]

44 minutes ago, BMC said:

468 pages for Golf Tour nobody is interested in watching?  Madness.  Madness.

These are historic times....haven't you heard? 150 years of stroke play is being replaced by Team golf nonsense........

[theodoreb]

5 hours ago, Titleist99 said:

Hey, I'm no spring chicken but I'm on the Internet right now with Youtube up, Gwrx up and the Rocket Classic on my Big screen........

 

By the way BIG SCREEN is the only proper way to watch golf......IMO

You know you can watch YouTube on the big screen with 100% of the worlds smart tvs?

[Ghost of Snead]

2 hours ago, NJBigFish22 said:

You literally had the captain of the upcoming Ryder Cup team willing/or certainly aware that he could lose his captaincy, go to LIV. To me that’s a pretty big statement.  Also the guy who just had a 5-0 record in the last RC, being the first to jump.  You have 4 of the best Euro players, albeit older leave, I don’t think it is as important to them as it is to fans.

 

Maybe, but Stenson was known to have lost a substantial sum of money in a Ponzi scheme run by Allen Stanford. Money or lack thereof does strange things to folks - look no further than Mickelson and his gambling record. I sincerely doubt Phil would've have joined LIV and suffered these repeated attacks on his legacy if he was financially stable. 

 

DJ is the most puzzling of all of the defectors not only due to his record at Whistling Straits but he would've earned a lifetime membership on the PGA Tour at the end of 2022 season and could've played whenever he wanted. To me there has to be more to the story. I suspect he was none too happy with the "suspension" he received on the PGA Tour in 2014. Must be more under the covers on his decision ...

 

With the older Euros, I don 't think they thought it would come to them being eliminated from consideration for the 2023 Ryder Cup team. But none of them were even close to the top 12 at the time they defected so maybe it didn't matter.

    

Edited July 31, 2022 by Ghost of Snead

[Titleist99]

1 hour ago, theodoreb said:

You know you can watch YouTube on the big screen with 100% of the worlds smart tvs?

Old folks don't have smart tv's.....

[OrangeGravy]

10 hours ago, subrew said:

 

I'm oldish at 47, and I likely watch more YT than anything else now.  I subscribe to a few dozen different channels, from golf content, cocktail making, coffee geeks, car reviews, vintage car tech stuff, cooking shows etc.  It is pretty common for me to have a handful of videos to watch each day.  I've had the YT app on our newer TV for a few years, so watching anything YT is no more different than watching CBS.

 

You can really tell that people bitching about LIV being on YT and not a real channel, are a bit behind the times. 

 

And with respect to golf content on YT, some of the best content is when a couple different creators team up for some 18 hole match play.  Six holes on Finchy's channel, six on Fryers, six on Shiels.  Fun banter, talking thru shots, match play or scramble formats.  Actually having fun with golf, and often doing team events.  The idea that golf has to be 18 holes stroke play on a network channel with three talking heads in the booth baffles me.  That is some of the least interesting golf I'll watch during the week. 

This definitely has a chance to be the "the internet is just a fad moment" for everyone mockingly dismissing this. I wouldn't be so quick to bury it for what it looks like right at this point in time either.  They have the ability to make quick meaningful changes to their product and the traditional tours just can't.  They're the equivalent of change course 180* in an aircraft carrier 

[tatertot]

43 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

Old folks don't have smart tv's.....

Young folks don't have any money ...

[ChipStrokes]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Maybe, but Stenson was known to have lost a substantial sum of money in a Ponzi scheme run by Allen Stanford. Money or lack thereof does strange things to folks - look no further than Mickelson and his gambling record. I sincerely doubt Phil would've have joined LIV and suffered these repeated attacks on his legacy if he was financially stable. 

 

DJ is the most puzzling of all of the defectors not only due to his record at Whistling Straits but he would've earned a lifetime membership on the PGA Tour at the end of 2022 season and could've played whenever he wanted. To me there has to be more to the story. I suspect he was none too happy with the "suspension" he received on the PGA Tour in 2014. Must be more under the covers on his decision ...

 

With the older Euros, I don 't think they thought it would come to them being eliminated from consideration for the 2023 Ryder Cup team. But none of them were even close to the top 12 at the time they defected so maybe it didn't matter.

    

what an absolutely dizzying amount of guesswork and speculation. 

 

just a masterclass in not letting the fact that you don’t know anything stop you from saying it anyway. 

[bekgolf]

19 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Maybe, but Stenson was known to have lost a substantial sum of money in a Ponzi scheme run by Allen Stanford. Money or lack thereof does strange things to folks - look no further than Mickelson and his gambling record. I sincerely doubt Phil would've have joined LIV and suffered these repeated attacks on his legacy if he was financially stable. 

 

DJ is the most puzzling of all of the defectors not only due to his record at Whistling Straits but he would've earned a lifetime membership on the PGA Tour at the end of 2022 season and could've played whenever he wanted. To me there has to be more to the story. I suspect he was none too happy with the "suspension" he received on the PGA Tour in 2014. Must be more under the covers on his decision ...

 

With the older Euros, I don 't think they thought it would come to them being eliminated from consideration for the 2023 Ryder Cup team. But none of them were even close to the top 12 at the time they defected so maybe it didn't matter.

    

Regrets.

Edited July 31, 2022 by bekgolf
3 martinis and the internet don't go well together

[Shortgamemagic]

On 7/29/2022 at 9:18 PM, theodoreb said:

Wait till the season is over, then tell me I’m wrong. All of the real rumored players have come true so far and there have been at least one member here who is an insider has be right every time.

Not all of the “real” rumored players have remotely gone. Seriously stop the hyperbole 

[bladehunter]

14 hours ago, terry55 said:

LIV Golf has an irrational business model?

 

 Each LIV Golf Team is valued at $1B. Rumor Addidas and ATT interested in being the first to purchase a team:

https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/rumour-adidas-golf-planning-buy-liv-golf-team-1-billion

 

  A $2B investment might pay off quite well.

 

RUMOUR: LIV Golf "giving principal players 25% ownership in teams"

Latest LIV Golf rumour suggests why the Saudi-funded circuit is becoming even more appealing for PGA Tour players. 

https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/rumour-liv-golf-giving-principal-players-25-ownership-teams

 

No one will watch LIV Golf?

  Ratings for the 3M Open Finals:  Age 25-54 109,503.  

    https://tv.kwayisi.org/networks/golf/shows/pga-tour/

 

No one but old people are watching the PGA Tour.

 

Women's Golf will be set back 10 years?

   Georgia Hall wins Aramco Saudi Ladies International

  Aramco Saudi Ladies International presented by Public Investment Fund.

https://ten-golf.com/en/news/georgia-hall-wins-aramco-saudi-ladies-international/

  

"Already entrenched in the Ladies European Tour, Golf Saudi currently backs six events — including the Aramco Team Series — which feature prize money that's three to four times a typical event on that tour, totaling $6 million."

 

The LPGA will take the call from LIV Golf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/07/23/lpga-commissioner-mollie-marcoux-samaan-have-conversation-liv-golf/50514783/

   

   Mollie Marcoux is a smart woman.

 

 

LIV Golf feels they are one year ahead of their plans.

 

"The rumours are true [that LIV Golf will transition into a proper league in 2023] - we've closed up shop, as far as our players are concerned," Norman told Australian Golf Digest. 

"We're in the process of kicking the league off next year and we're a full year ahead of schedule."

https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/greg-norman-liv-golf-rumours-are-true-top-40-player-agents-still-calling-him

 

 

Golf is changing. LIV Golf seems to think the PGA Tour has vastly undersold golf as a sport and has not capitalized of the real popularity available. They rode the Tiger Woods train for years but never thought it out for themselves. People tried to help them but they never wanted to listen.  It might have been a critical error in judgement.      

 

 

That’s all valued Based on what ? 

[betarhoalphadelta]

1 hour ago, Titleist99 said:

Old folks don't have smart tv's.....

Pretty much anyone who has bought a TV in the last decade has a smart TV...

 

...although the old folks might not know what it is or how to use it 😂

[betarhoalphadelta]

47 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

Unfortunately, DJ just isn't the guy who is smart.

 

I tried to rephrase it many times but at the end of the day DJ will never be the face of any tour.  Good for him to take money now because he was washed up 5 years ago.

 

I disagree that he is washed up. He's one of the few to leave that I think had something left in the tank. 

 

Of course, it might be a self fulfilling prophecy. Now that he's got a cushy $125M in the bank, maybe his internal fire is going to go out.

[Nixhex524]

3 hours ago, Titleist99 said:

These are historic times....haven't you heard? 150 years of stroke play is being replaced by Team golf nonsense........

 

"Replaced"?  

 

Do you guys actually believe your own narrative at this point?  You LIV haters are doing so much free advertising it's insane. LOL

[huskydawg]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

That’s all valued Based on what ? 

[Potatohead]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

That’s all valued Based on what ? 

Total nonsense I would imagine. You can buy an MLB team for a billion dollars yet this guy thinks the Rocketballz or whatever are worth that. 

[USCHawks31]

2 hours ago, bekgolf said:

Unfortunately, DJ just isn't the guy who is smart.

 

I tried to rephrase it many times but at the end of the day DJ will never be the face of any tour.  Good for him to take money now because he was washed up 5 years ago.

 

DJ won four times in 2017 and was #1 for almost the whole year.

[oikos1]

8 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

The PGA Tour suspensions had zero to do with what tournaments the defectors were scheduled to play. If Monahan had permitted all Tour players to accept guaranteed cash from the Saudi government without repercussions, many more would have gone and played both. Hardly a terrible decision to suspend.

 

And without Greg Norman's 30 year old vendetta against the PGA Tour, there would be no LIV tour. How is the PGA Tour responsible for a foreign government over-paying a group of mostly 40-something players with OWGR(s) higher than the Mendoza line ? 

    

    

I'd like to know which "many more" PGA Tour players would have gone to the LIV Tour that you or other's wouldn't have said "Good riddance"?

 

Once you've given that some thought, ask yourself why the claim of a "30 year old vendetta"?  That only serves to validate the reality that the PGA Tour should have never let this come to fruition.