RIP Joe Mayo and Viktor Hovland (No one is dead, please don’t click on if you can access your retirement without IRS penalties)

[ALIF]

Viktor needs a girlfriend.

[Fairways_and_Greens]

4 hours ago, ALIF said:

Viktor needs a girlfriend.

I thought he was dating Mary Jane. 

[bscinstnct]

5 hours ago, ALIF said:

Viktor needs a girlfriend.

 

VHov chill Hawaii like

 

 

[nsxguy]

On 1/3/2024 at 7:33 PM, DomJones said:

Per Todd Lewis, Joe Mayo and Viktor are no longer working together. Viktor did not want to get into details and it appears it was due to personal issues. Condolences to Joe that buddy knows ball. 

 

Mr. Jones, coupla questions.

 

1) Have you read through your own thread ?

 

2) If so, have you considered changing the title ?

[DomJones]

42 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

Mr. Jones, coupla questions.

 

1) Have you read through your own thread ?

 

2) If so, have you considered changing the title ?

It’s not that serious. 

[cgasucks]

9 minutes ago, DomJones said:

It’s not that serious. 

 

Pretty sad.  No wonder you're vilified here.

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, DomJones said:

It’s not that serious. 

 

Did you read all the posts ?

 

Sounds like it bothered a fair number of posters.

 

Do you at least admit your clickbait headline is in poor taste ?

[Deebers86]

9 hours ago, leezer99 said:

I had heard he’s with Blackburn now.

Why wouldn’t you go to Blackburn, guy knows his Mayo and Mustard 😏

[bladehunter]

Ok. I’ll be the one.  Who’s Joe Mayo ?  I’ve never heard that name in my life.  Any relation to Joe Buck? 

[kmbean]

27 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Ok. I’ll be the one.  Who’s Joe Mayo ?  I’ve never heard that name in my life.  Any relation to Joe Buck? 

He’s an instructor who helped Viktor out with his short game over the past few years.  GC and NBC mentioned his name a lot last year whenever Vik was in contention.  He was also standing in the background when Rory was going nuts in the parking lot/valet area at the Ryder Cup (dude in the white visor).

 

I think he used to be on this site as “Trackman Maestro”?

Edited January 5 by kmbean

[SnowbirdTom]

33 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Ok. I’ll be the one.  Who’s Joe Mayo ?  I’ve never heard that name in my life.  Any relation to Joe Buck? 

 

Must be his physician.  He's got a few clinics named for him.  🤷‍♂️

[MK7Golf21]

14 hours ago, ALIF said:

Viktor needs a girlfriend.

how do you know he doesn’t have one? 

[Ferguson]

 

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, kmbean said:

He’s an instructor who helped Viktor out with his short game over the past few years.  GC and NBC mentioned his name a lot last year whenever Vik was in contention.  He was also standing in the background when Rory was going nuts in the parking lot/valet area at the Ryder Cup (dude in the white visor).

 

I think he used to be on this site as “Trackman Maestro”?

So he’s leaving the guy who improved him 91 spots in strokes gained around the greens ?  That seems like a solid decision….. what’s next. Is he leaving ping , learning to play left handed , switching to Bach, and growing a beard ?? 🤣

[DomJones]

8 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

Did you read all the posts ?

 

Sounds like it bothered a fair number of posters.

 

Do you at least admit your clickbait headline is in poor taste ?

It’s a golf forum I’m not going for clicks I was giving an update. RIP is how a lot of people under the age of 50 talk about things that end not that someone has died. Shame because Joe Mayo knows ball. 

[North Texas]

According to the new title, I'm not supposed to click on here. But I couldn't help myself as I wanted to see what the fuss was all about. 

 

The new clickbait title obviously worked.  

[jaffabell]

46 minutes ago, DomJones said:

It’s a golf forum I’m not going for clicks I was giving an update. RIP is how a lot of people under the age of 50 talk about things that end not that someone has died. Shame because Joe Mayo knows ball. 

I knew exactly what it meant as soon as I read it, its a shame the thread got taken over by folk who take things so literally. 

 

Am I right in thinking that Joe Mayo is the instructor who is currently posting daily on instagram preaching about how steep AOA with chipping isnt actually steep?

[getitdaily]

2 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Ok. I’ll be the one.  Who’s Joe Mayo ?  I’ve never heard that name in my life.  Any relation to Joe Buck? 

No. But distant cousin to Colonel Mustard.

[getitdaily]

Once taught the method, how much does a tour pro really need to constantly work with a chipping instructor? 

[DomJones]

35 minutes ago, jaffabell said:

I knew exactly what it meant as soon as I read it, its a shame the thread got taken over by folk who take things so literally. 

 

Am I right in thinking that Joe Mayo is the instructor who is currently posting daily on instagram preaching about how steep AOA with chipping isnt actually steep?

Correct

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, DomJones said:

It’s a golf forum I’m not going for clicks I was giving an update. RIP is how a lot of people under the age of 50 talk about things that end not that someone has died. Shame because Joe Mayo knows ball. 

 

NVM. Not worth the effort. 🙃

Edited January 5 by nsxguy

[JoeHatesSnow]

40 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

NVM. Not worth the effort. 🙃

Exactly. 👍

[RichieHunt]

I haven't talked to Joe about it because it's not something I would try to pry from him and it's none of my business.

 

But Joe worked with Viktor on his swing as well as his short game.  Viktor had issues with hitting too many low draws with the driver than he wished.  He wanted to play a cut and they started to see that his upper body center was too far forward in the downswing and that produces a steeper attack angle and shifts the path out to the right more and can cause those draws/hooks.  So while the chipping improvement helped Viktor tremendously, better control and confidence off the tee also played a role in Viktor's success with Joe.

And while I'm certain there will be coaches that did teach a lot of what Joe is teaching with regards to the short game, I think Joe has done a terrific job of really going into the details with this short game technique.  I actually get frustrated that this information came out now because I know if one of my former clients had this information and coaching about 5 years ago, they would have won twice on Tour in one season and that would have completely changed their career.  It's the worst kept secret on Tour that chipping yips are very prevalent and I think Joe's work with Viktor will make Tour players and future Tour players much better around the green in the end.

I used to employ the same pitching method that Joe prescribes and then got coached out of it and my pitching greatly suffered as a result.  Now imagine if I was playing for millions of dollars.  It's a big deal.

I will say that it is pretty apparent that Viktor's plan has been to jump from coach-to-coach and try to glean their ideas and get a 'fresh set of eyes' every so often.  He started working with Kelvin Miyahira until Kelvin unfortunately had a stroke.  He then worked with Denny Lucas and won the US Am.  From there I know he's worked with Lucas Wald, George Gankas, Jeff Smith and IIRC John Tillery.  So I have my doubts this is anything sinister or a 'falling out.'  Probably more of what Viktor has done all along and Joe probably understood that going into the working relationship and there's really ntohing wrong with that on Viktor's part either as it has worked quite well for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

[Hawkeye77]

3 hours ago, RichieHunt said:

I haven't talked to Joe about it because it's not something I would try to pry from him and it's none of my business.

 

But Joe worked with Viktor on his swing as well as his short game.  Viktor had issues with hitting too many low draws with the driver than he wished.  He wanted to play a cut and they started to see that his upper body center was too far forward in the downswing and that produces a steeper attack angle and shifts the path out to the right more and can cause those draws/hooks.  So while the chipping improvement helped Viktor tremendously, better control and confidence off the tee also played a role in Viktor's success with Joe.

And while I'm certain there will be coaches that did teach a lot of what Joe is teaching with regards to the short game, I think Joe has done a terrific job of really going into the details with this short game technique.  I actually get frustrated that this information came out now because I know if one of my former clients had this information and coaching about 5 years ago, they would have won twice on Tour in one season and that would have completely changed their career.  It's the worst kept secret on Tour that chipping yips are very prevalent and I think Joe's work with Viktor will make Tour players and future Tour players much better around the green in the end.

I used to employ the same pitching method that Joe prescribes and then got coached out of it and my pitching greatly suffered as a result.  Now imagine if I was playing for millions of dollars.  It's a big deal.

I will say that it is pretty apparent that Viktor's plan has been to jump from coach-to-coach and try to glean their ideas and get a 'fresh set of eyes' every so often.  He started working with Kelvin Miyahira until Kelvin unfortunately had a stroke.  He then worked with Denny Lucas and won the US Am.  From there I know he's worked with Lucas Wald, George Gankas, Jeff Smith and IIRC John Tillery.  So I have my doubts this is anything sinister or a 'falling out.'  Probably more of what Viktor has done all along and Joe probably understood that going into the working relationship and there's really ntohing wrong with that on Viktor's part either as it has worked quite well for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

Come on, that's real information - nobody wants that! 😀

[Barfolomew]

Can you change the title back...

[Pepperturbo]

Just because some of you assumed the worst regarding "RIP", doesn't mean he should change the title.  You should read before assuming anything.  This is a Discussion Board on the internet. 

[dropkicked]

3 hours ago, RichieHunt said:

I haven't talked to Joe about it because it's not something I would try to pry from him and it's none of my business.

 

But Joe worked with Viktor on his swing as well as his short game.  Viktor had issues with hitting too many low draws with the driver than he wished.  He wanted to play a cut and they started to see that his upper body center was too far forward in the downswing and that produces a steeper attack angle and shifts the path out to the right more and can cause those draws/hooks.  So while the chipping improvement helped Viktor tremendously, better control and confidence off the tee also played a role in Viktor's success with Joe.

And while I'm certain there will be coaches that did teach a lot of what Joe is teaching with regards to the short game, I think Joe has done a terrific job of really going into the details with this short game technique.  I actually get frustrated that this information came out now because I know if one of my former clients had this information and coaching about 5 years ago, they would have won twice on Tour in one season and that would have completely changed their career.  It's the worst kept secret on Tour that chipping yips are very prevalent and I think Joe's work with Viktor will make Tour players and future Tour players much better around the green in the end.

I used to employ the same pitching method that Joe prescribes and then got coached out of it and my pitching greatly suffered as a result.  Now imagine if I was playing for millions of dollars.  It's a big deal.

I will say that it is pretty apparent that Viktor's plan has been to jump from coach-to-coach and try to glean their ideas and get a 'fresh set of eyes' every so often.  He started working with Kelvin Miyahira until Kelvin unfortunately had a stroke.  He then worked with Denny Lucas and won the US Am.  From there I know he's worked with Lucas Wald, George Gankas, Jeff Smith and IIRC John Tillery.  So I have my doubts this is anything sinister or a 'falling out.'  Probably more of what Viktor has done all along and Joe probably understood that going into the working relationship and there's really ntohing wrong with that on Viktor's part either as it has worked quite well for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

This should've been post #2...

 

Thread title was misleading and does seem clickbait*ish. RIP means something is dead. Switching coaches happens often and sometimes twice on Tuesdays..

Now we just need @Ferguson to close this out..

[jimecherry]

4 hours ago, RichieHunt said:

I haven't talked to Joe about it because it's not something I would try to pry from him and it's none of my business.

 

But Joe worked with Viktor on his swing as well as his short game.  Viktor had issues with hitting too many low draws with the driver than he wished.  He wanted to play a cut and they started to see that his upper body center was too far forward in the downswing and that produces a steeper attack angle and shifts the path out to the right more and can cause those draws/hooks.  So while the chipping improvement helped Viktor tremendously, better control and confidence off the tee also played a role in Viktor's success with Joe.

And while I'm certain there will be coaches that did teach a lot of what Joe is teaching with regards to the short game, I think Joe has done a terrific job of really going into the details with this short game technique.  I actually get frustrated that this information came out now because I know if one of my former clients had this information and coaching about 5 years ago, they would have won twice on Tour in one season and that would have completely changed their career.  It's the worst kept secret on Tour that chipping yips are very prevalent and I think Joe's work with Viktor will make Tour players and future Tour players much better around the green in the end.

I used to employ the same pitching method that Joe prescribes and then got coached out of it and my pitching greatly suffered as a result.  Now imagine if I was playing for millions of dollars.  It's a big deal.

I will say that it is pretty apparent that Viktor's plan has been to jump from coach-to-coach and try to glean their ideas and get a 'fresh set of eyes' every so often.  He started working with Kelvin Miyahira until Kelvin unfortunately had a stroke.  He then worked with Denny Lucas and won the US Am.  From there I know he's worked with Lucas Wald, George Gankas, Jeff Smith and IIRC John Tillery.  So I have my doubts this is anything sinister or a 'falling out.'  Probably more of what Viktor has done all along and Joe probably understood that going into the working relationship and there's really ntohing wrong with that on Viktor's part either as it has worked quite well for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

this post was so informative it fixed part of my driver swing ;}

[caniac6]

22 hours ago, ALIF said:

Viktor needs a girlfriend.

He would probably get one with a new clothing contract. Also, I thought Joe Mayo was the mascot for the Dukes Mayonnaise Bowl.

[Chunkitgood]

6 hours ago, DomJones said:

It’s a golf forum I’m not going for clicks I was giving an update. RIP is how a lot of people under the age of 50 talk about things that end not that someone has died. Shame because Joe Mayo knows ball. 

A lot of people older than 50 use the initials RIP, and people were using it before those people were born.  They typically use don’t use it when referring to an actual living people, because it means those people are dead.  They use it mostly to refer to the end of things like social phenomena or trends (e.g., RIP K-pop, or RIP Game of Thrones, or RIP ASMR, possibly RIP PGA Tour).  To use it in reference to actual people can among other things start premature rumors of the death of those people.

 

4 hours ago, RichieHunt said:

I haven't talked to Joe about it because it's not something I would try to pry from him and it's none of my business.

 

But Joe worked with Viktor on his swing as well as his short game.  Viktor had issues with hitting too many low draws with the driver than he wished.  He wanted to play a cut and they started to see that his upper body center was too far forward in the downswing and that produces a steeper attack angle and shifts the path out to the right more and can cause those draws/hooks.  So while the chipping improvement helped Viktor tremendously, better control and confidence off the tee also played a role in Viktor's success with Joe.

And while I'm certain there will be coaches that did teach a lot of what Joe is teaching with regards to the short game, I think Joe has done a terrific job of really going into the details with this short game technique.  I actually get frustrated that this information came out now because I know if one of my former clients had this information and coaching about 5 years ago, they would have won twice on Tour in one season and that would have completely changed their career.  It's the worst kept secret on Tour that chipping yips are very prevalent and I think Joe's work with Viktor will make Tour players and future Tour players much better around the green in the end.

I used to employ the same pitching method that Joe prescribes and then got coached out of it and my pitching greatly suffered as a result.  Now imagine if I was playing for millions of dollars.  It's a big deal.

I will say that it is pretty apparent that Viktor's plan has been to jump from coach-to-coach and try to glean their ideas and get a 'fresh set of eyes' every so often.  He started working with Kelvin Miyahira until Kelvin unfortunately had a stroke.  He then worked with Denny Lucas and won the US Am.  From there I know he's worked with Lucas Wald, George Gankas, Jeff Smith and IIRC John Tillery.  So I have my doubts this is anything sinister or a 'falling out.'  Probably more of what Viktor has done all along and Joe probably understood that going into the working relationship and there's really ntohing wrong with that on Viktor's part either as it has worked quite well for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RH

 

Did people on the PGATour really not know to hit down on the ball until Mayo told them?  My mind is reeling.

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/viktor-hovland-chipping-spin-loft-explained