Golf's new villain

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Golf Digest just ran a piece on Patrick Reed, and how the sport desperately needs him because they need an antagonist, a villain. According to the author of the article it has been a long time since golf's last true villain, Jack Nicklaus. He was the prime challenger to Arnold Palmer's throne, and was met with derision. But Nicklaus made the point that although he had issues with Arnie's Army, he never had issues with Arnie, and they became good friends.



The difference in the case of Reed, is that he has come out and taken issue with his 'nemesis', Jordan Spieth. The article makes the argument that Reed has the pedigree, unlike other modern-day 'villians' such as Ian Poulter and Rory Sabbatini. But unlike Nicklaus, it seems, at least for now, he will never become buddy-buddy with Spieth.



In the 2018 version of the PGA Tour where friendship seems to be the norm, do we really need a villain like Patrick Reed as the article suggests? Or can't we all just get along?
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  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,742 ClubWRX
    Can't imagine Reed becoming buddy-buddy with anyone.



    There is a reason why he plays his practice rounds alone save for his caddie and wife walking around with him.
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  • TheInfidelTheInfidel Gotta let the Big Dog eat.... Members Posts: 1,421 ✭✭
    He's nothing more than a pariah with an inflated ego and a sadistic manager who fuels his own delusions.



    Life on tour with no friends, no equipment deal & no comradery with other players will be harder going forward.

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  • Zz24hoursZz24hours Posts: 115 ✭✭
    But he likes the atmosphere on ET, I would welcome him anytime!



    Like the guy for his interactions with the crowd and they love it, on the ET scene anyways
  • MarkFromTheUKMarkFromTheUK Members Posts: 4,639 ✭✭
    I don’t think he’ll change until he rocks up at a Ryder Cup and has to play the four balls as a single.



    I wonder if it would be within the rights of the 2020 captain to say “I know he qualified in the top 8, but I really don’t want that guy anywhere near my team”?
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    Sabbatini, lol
  • caniac6caniac6 Members Posts: 2,653 ✭✭
    Heard Steve Johnson on The Hank Haney Show call Reed "Table for One".
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,742 ClubWRX
    caniac6 wrote:


    Heard Steve Johnson on The Hank Haney Show call Reed "Table for One".




    Next years Champions Dinner at Augusta could be interesting. Just Reed making his way through a few dozen hamburgers after a number of mysterious calls offs the afternoon of the dinner.
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  • babyfadebabyfade Posts: 537 ✭✭
    what's the reason that all the players hate him? i mean he is cocky in interviews, but thats not enough to make him such an a******. there are other cocky players that have their friends...
  • DRRicksDRRicks Banned Posts: 2,444 ClubWRX
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    babyfade wrote:


    what's the reason that all the players hate him? i mean he is cocky in interviews, but thats not enough to make him such an a******. there are other cocky players that have their friends...




    The list is long...he stole from teammates in college, has been accused of cheating, has a terrible personality, an annoying wife, and he’s a “blamer”. All of that adds up to people not liking you.
  • naval2006naval2006 Posts: 952 ✭✭


    Golf Digest just ran a piece on Patrick Reed, and how the sport desperately needs him because they need an antagonist, a villain. According to the author of the article it has been a long time since golf's last true villain, Jack Nicklaus. He was the prime challenger to Arnold Palmer's throne, and was met with derision. But Nicklaus made the point that although he had issues with Arnie's Army, he never had issues with Arnie, and they became good friends.



    The difference in the case of Reed, is that he has come out and taken issue with his 'nemesis', Jordan Spieth. The article makes the argument that Reed has the pedigree, unlike other modern-day 'villians' such as Ian Poulter and Rory Sabbatini. But unlike Nicklaus, it seems, at least for now, he will never become buddy-buddy with Spieth.



    In the 2018 version of the PGA Tour where friendship seems to be the norm, do we really need a villain like Patrick Reed as the article suggests? Or can't we all just get along?




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  • smeech8000smeech8000 Ev'ryday I'm Trufflin' Members Posts: 2,419 ✭✭


    Golf Digest just ran a piece on Patrick Reed, and how the sport desperately needs him because they need an antagonist, a villain. According to the author of the article it has been a long time since golf's last true villain, Jack Nicklaus. He was the prime challenger to Arnold Palmer's throne, and was met with derision. But Nicklaus made the point that although he had issues with Arnie's Army, he never had issues with Arnie, and they became good friends.




    It's disgusting how GD feels the need to spin Reed's infantile behavior. Let's not conflate "villain" with "***hole".



    Nicklaus was subjected to significantly worse conditions - ranging from heckling to trampled lies in the rough - thanks to the "loyalty" of Arnie's Army and still rose above. Reed's issues are entirely self-inflicted, yet it's always someone else's fault. Guess what buddy, if you tend to have problems with everybody, maybe you're the problem!



    I would love to be the next PC/RC captain - even if he makes the team on points I would bench his *** the entire week until his mandatory singles match. Also, thanks for volunteering to put yourself in the envelope Patrick!
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Members Posts: 2,521 ✭✭
    The article already has ZERO credibility, since it compared Nicklaus to Reed. Two polar opposites.



    The US ryder cup team needs more Patrick Reeds. Golf doesn't.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,152 ✭✭
    smeech8000 wrote:



    Golf Digest just ran a piece on Patrick Reed, and how the sport desperately needs him because they need an antagonist, a villain. According to the author of the article it has been a long time since golf's last true villain, Jack Nicklaus. He was the prime challenger to Arnold Palmer's throne, and was met with derision. But Nicklaus made the point that although he had issues with Arnie's Army, he never had issues with Arnie, and they became good friends.




    It's disgusting how GD feels the need to spin Reed's infantile behavior. Let's not conflate "villain" with "***hole".



    Nicklaus was subjected to significantly worse conditions - ranging from heckling to trampled lies in the rough - thanks to the "loyalty" of Arnie's Army and still rose above. Reed's issues are entirely self-inflicted, yet it's always someone else's fault. Guess what buddy, if you tend to have problems with everybody, maybe you're the problem!



    I would love to be the next PC/RC captain - even if he makes the team on points I would bench his *** the entire week until his mandatory singles match. Also, thanks for volunteering to put yourself in the envelope Patrick!




    It's impossible to be universally anything these days with the current media. You could be the biggest a-hole in the world, some editor is going to task a writer with doing a contrarian piece just to get clicks.



    Often two writers will be asked to write stories with opposite views etc...



    A-hole = he just calls it like he sees it dude



    Nice guy = he's fake



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  • GhostwedgeGhostwedge Posts: 650 ✭✭
    I would say golf already has it’s share of “villians.” You can put Tiger, Phil, Rory, JT, Dustin, Spieth, Reed, etc. all on the list.

    Some player at some point is going to irritate the [email protected] out of somebody. To single out Reed is stupid, letʻs try to destroy a guyʻs career for some “views.”

    I thought Fleetwoodʻs antics after the Ryder Cup were over the top but iʻm not going to torch him every chance i get thru the media.

    Some guys just need to enhance that huge chip on their shoulder i guess, better to just let your clubs do the talking like most players do.

    Wait... timeout... i’ve got a VILLIAN, the USGA for **** up numerous US Open set ups lately, bang on that Media. Not **** enough, sorry.
  • DfwgolfdudeDfwgolfdude Posts: 87 ✭✭
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  • farmerfarmer Members Posts: 7,774 ✭✭
    Not knowing Reed at all, he comes across as a pouty d###. Jack did not. He endured the heckling, the "Fat Jack" memes, and obnoxious behavior with outward calm and dignity. Then, people realized "this kid can really play". Reed, as a player, has not proven his self-anointed stature.
  • Dave230Dave230 Posts: 3,747 ✭✭
    Tiger Woods should have been the villain but he's like a villain in a TV show that everybody followed from the start and end up rooting for.
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,350 ClubWRX
    There really isn't any reasonable comparison with Nicklaus at all.



    Golf Digest just looking for a quickie article, with little thought to generate the clicks.
  • lumberman2462lumberman2462 Members Posts: 5,324 ✭✭
    The smoke about Reed seems to be turning to fire.



    Just my opinion...But calling out Spieth for not wanting to play with him is just dumb. Maybe he really isn't worried about PR problems, endorsement $ or what the rest of the world thinks.



    Even if he wins a lot more tournaments it is going to be a lonely career if he keeps this stuff up.
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  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
    reed and nicklaus have zero similarities, both on and off the golf course ...
  • epyonepyon Posts: 469 ✭✭
    If this guy won't even bother trying to reconcile with his own family, then I highly doubt he is a stand up person in other aspects of his life. He has demonstrated this time and time again to be true.
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,081 ✭✭
    sick disgusting joke of this all -- he gets to play augusta once a year till he either screws it up, or decides he doesn't want to.



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  • FKA HBFKA HB Posts: 373
    I would like Reed to keep winning. I don't know him personally, don't know anyone who knows him, and don't know any of the people on tour who don't like him. But I do get a kick out of other people (in my exact situation) who actually get upset about things that do not affect them. As a history lesson, prior to social media, people didn't actually get emotionally hurt about any of this.
  • ByeBye Posts: 1,307 ✭✭
    Reed should be really popular, he has got serious game, plays aggressively the lot. He was just born without a filter between his brain and his mouth.
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 8,918 ✭✭
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    Every sport has there villains I like it. We all know the US players can use the spice. I couldn’t handle Monty as a player for years now he makes me laugh. BB
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  • md1mmd1m Members Posts: 782 ✭✭
    DRRicks wrote:

    babyfade wrote:


    what's the reason that all the players hate him? i mean he is cocky in interviews, but thats not enough to make him such an a******. there are other cocky players that have their friends...




    The list is long...he stole from teammates in college, has been accused of cheating, has a terrible personality, an annoying wife, and he's a "blamer". All of that adds up to people not liking you.




    And let's not forget he had his parents thrown out of an event. Doesn't seem like he can get along with anyone.
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  • NaptimeNaptime Members Posts: 596 ✭✭
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    I think sports villains are that way because of ruthless execution of excellence. In their primes, the Yankees, TW, etc became villains through performance, not by sniping at their fellow competitors. Reed may end up being seen more like various NFL linemen, Dobler, Suh etc. who developed negative reputations for trying to injure other players.
  • 3whacker3whacker Posts: 396 ✭✭
    a month ago a bunch of people on here were ready to give that title to Bryson DeChambeau...now y'all want to jump on the bandwagon and throw Reed underneath it...



    Let it go, dont get all wrapped up in the silly drama off the course...cheer for what goes on between the ropes



    The US got beat plain and simple...only the media (read the GC) wants to fan the flames to give them something to discuss on the morning drive
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,599 ✭✭
    Jack a villain? Please. He was a threat to the King. No fair comparison to lump him w the immature P Reed.



    Someone he idolizes (Tiger) needs to pull him aside and tell both him and his wife to shut up and grow up
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  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NCMembers Posts: 3,890 ✭✭
    Dave230 wrote:


    Tiger Woods should have been the villain but he's like a villain in a TV show that everybody followed from the start and end up rooting for.




    Like Tony Soprano?
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