Does Spieth needs to make a change ???

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  • WidespreadPanicWidespreadPanic Wizard in the Corner Members Posts: 4,826 ✭✭
    Spieth clearly needs to just log on to WRX. With the number of threads outlining everything he’s doing wrong he could be fixed within the hour.
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  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members Posts: 3,783 ✭✭
    Clearly he’s too tall for golf. He should try shaving a couple inches off and see if that helps.
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    Clearly he’s too tall for golf. He should try shaving a couple inches off and see if that helps.




    You mean down to Rory’s size ? Woooah!!!!









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  • Danny ChooDanny Choo Members Posts: 136 ✭✭
    I have no affiliation with this post. Just another copy cat trying to feed off what I started. What ever happened to original content?
  • mds5062mds5062 Members Posts: 78 ✭✭
    He'll be back to normal this year
  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members Posts: 2,982 ✭✭
    Pretty obvious solution:



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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,784 ✭✭
    Danny Choo wrote:


    I have no affiliation with this post. Just another copy cat trying to feed off what I started. What ever happened to original content?




    You aren’t the first Jordan prognosticator
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  • TMoakley1547TMoakley1547 Members Posts: 99 ✭✭
    Spieth will forever be held hostage by 2015. Hes playing better golf, just needs to be able to put 4 rounds good rounds together.
  • 3whacker3whacker Members Posts: 409 ✭✭
    Im no fan of Cameron McCormack but changing instructors at this point of his career aint gonna happen....Makes no sense because any coaching change would take at least a couple of months to take effect...IMO JS troubles are a result of an undependable driver...
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,823 ✭✭
    Op .. fix your title ... killing me



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  • Matt JMatt J Members Posts: 8,716 ✭✭
    I'd definitely quit golf if I were YJS.



    Always in the mix at the Majors, but only won 3? 14 Wins in 5 years? Go get a real job Spieth.
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,666 ClubWRX
    Danny Choo wrote:


    I have no affiliation with this post. Just another copy cat trying to feed off what I started. What ever happened to original content?




    I always thought trolls were pretty much alike except for the bright hair colors.
  • glmglm Members Posts: 203 ✭✭
    To much money in the bank maybe.
  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members Posts: 2,149 ✭✭
    edited Feb 11, 2019 9:06pm #46
    Expectations = target on your back. 2015 certainly accomplished that, and now he's living under the scrutiny of *need to win* vs *want to win*. I'm sure he wants it now more than ever, but forcing things and dwelling on potential vs actual would get to anyone as doubt creeps in. Justin Rose is just finally coming into his full potential, but the grind that took to get him there is something he can tap into to re-evaluate future struggles. YJS was blazing hot right out of the gate and now he isn't. What plan does he have to fall back on now that he's falling down the OWGR, nothing really, and he's just started his grind to figure it all out. He'll be good again, but the question is how long will it take?
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  • troopervoltroopervol Members Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited Feb 11, 2019 10:00pm #47
    Example of poor mental decisions...last rd. #17 Pebble Beach ('19)...Speith chose 6 iron, lots of wind in face and Faldo said he needs 4 iron.

    he came on short about 90 ft to putt, made

    bogey.....

    Note about all previous pga pro's were hitting 4 iron prior to Speith on #17.



    I'm a big Speith fan, but he is in trouble above the neck, imo....



    Another example his how he has made frequent double and triple bogies in "19 without an actual penalty stroke, caddie needs to step up.
  • WidespreadPanicWidespreadPanic Wizard in the Corner Members Posts: 4,826 ✭✭
    Hitting a 6 on 17 was ridiculous. Him and his caddie were the only ones on the planet who thought otherwise.
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    Hitting a 6 on 17 was ridiculous. Him and his caddie were the only ones on the planet who thought otherwise.




    Yea. Was almost like he pulled it thinking it was actually a 5. Picking a 5 would be dumb in that wind. But believable. Pulling a 6 was just stupid. I mean it was a 7 with no wind.
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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 758 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 3:00am #50


    Spieth will forever be held hostage by 2015. Hes playing better golf, just needs to be able to put 4 rounds good rounds together.


    I don't think anyone expects him to repeat 2015 on any type of regular basis. Unfortunately for him, I do think people kind of expect an average of 2016-2017, which is multiple wins per year and a major every other year or so. Honestly, even this would be an absurd pace to keep up for a decade, and this doesn't even factor in that he did really blow the 2016 Masters.



    Heck, even average out his 2016-2018, which would be 1 or 2 wins a year plus a major every third year. Even that would be a pretty crazy run for another 10-12 years. Is he held hostage to this? Maybe so.



    Again, I'm not a hater/troll but I don't think his game is right there the last 12 months. For all the love/hate comparisons with Rory, the performance is pretty clearly in Rory's favor over the last 12 months (go back 2 years and it flips hugely in Spieth's favor). Interestingly, even though neither was playing at a great level overall, the both did OK in the majors last year (unfortunately, for each of them "good" = win). I would call their performance equal. If you look at the Masters/Open, both let a fantastic opportunity get away (Rory = Masters, Spieth = Open) and each somehow got back in it late on Sunday but couldn't pull it off. I would say Spieth's comeback at the Masters was a bit more impressive but he also let a better chance go at the Open. I don't think its fair to say "Spieth could have won 2 majors last year" and not say the same for Rory (obviously the could not have each won these two tournaments).



    Maybe Rory gets dinged a bit more for not showing up on Sundays (Tour Championship, I believe some European tournaments) but to me this is "closer" to being back at an elite/dominating level than Spieth's play over the last 12 months.



    Going forward, it wouldn't surprise me if either wins multiple times before the other one does. Or, if they take the Masters and PGA Championship, then we can all argue about "who is the worst golfer to have achieved the Career Grand Slam."



    Play last 12 months:



    Rory Spieth

    Wins 1 0

    Top 10s 9 4

    MCs 3 6



    Masters T5 3rd

    US Open MC MC

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  • RangeballzRangeballz Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    Danny Choo wrote:


    I have no affiliation with this post. Just another copy cat trying to feed off what I started. What ever happened to original content?




    Well, to be honest Danny, your post was certainly not the first claiming to predict Spieth's demise.
  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Members Posts: 851 ✭✭
    I think Jordan showed some positive signs for about 2 and a half rounds last week. His putting on intermediate length putts seemed to be coming around and only missed a few short ones. His iron play looked solid at times and his scrambling was really impressive. Driving seems to be a big issue which I’m sure he will work out.

    The passion of Jordan’s fans is second to only Tiger and maybe Phil. At Pebble the gallery for DJ/ Jordan was huge, almost Tigeresque. If you see Jordan live he has a real positive vibe. He smiles and makes eye contact with people and kind of bounces around, always moving, just very likable.

    With that being said when he started play in Hawaii he was quoted as saying he hadn’t picked up a club in sometime and felt strange even swinging a club. I think he got married in the off season and of course that’s going to put your focus in other directions. When you have so much success early and the benefits that go with that it’s hard not to get distracted.

    So when I see all the threads on Jordan it’s simply because people want him to do well and want to relive the past success that he’s had. My issue is that does he care about that as much as all his fans do? At this point in his life my answer would have to be No. Jordan and Rory are very similar not in their golf games but in their likability and success but also similar in that their drive to be the best is not at an elite level, at least not at this time.
  • USAF Retired E7USAF Retired E7 Finnish American Members Posts: 305 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 8:17am #53
    None of his stats show a guy who could win this year. (only good stat is career earnings)



    I think the should quit thinking and hit the dam ball.



    Hope he does, fun watching when he's playing well.
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    I think Jordan showed some positive signs for about 2 and a half rounds last week. His putting on intermediate length putts seemed to be coming around and only missed a few short ones. His iron play looked solid at times and his scrambling was really impressive. Driving seems to be a big issue which I'm sure he will work out.

    The passion of Jordan's fans is second to only Tiger and maybe Phil. At Pebble the gallery for DJ/ Jordan was huge, almost Tigeresque. If you see Jordan live he has a real positive vibe. He smiles and makes eye contact with people and kind of bounces around, always moving, just very likable.

    With that being said when he started play in Hawaii he was quoted as saying he hadn't picked up a club in sometime and felt strange even swinging a club. I think he got married in the off season and of course that's going to put your focus in other directions. When you have so much success early and the benefits that go with that it's hard not to get distracted.

    So when I see all the threads on Jordan it's simply because people want him to do well and want to relive the past success that he's had. My issue is that does he care about that as much as all his fans do? At this point in his life my answer would have to be No. Jordan and Rory are very similar not in their golf games but in their likability and success but also similar in that their drive to be the best is not at an elite level, at least not at this time.


    I don't buy the 2.5 rounds thing. Everyone would be doing better if they could eliminate the parts of a round they screwed up. Again, I don't doubt he can find it very quickly, and everyone will be saying something different then (the season has a long way to go) but I just don't (objectively) see what is looking so great right now. Let's ignore the extreme hate but the optimism seems to be based on what people are hoping for, not what is there right now.



    On the drive point, Jason Day had an interview last year that talked about his goals/where he's at. I kind of got the impression that he knows what it took to dominate for 12-24 months and it's just hard to sustain / keep doing. Not just the competition from others or mentally on the course but also what it requires you to give up in the rest of your life. No one can fault Rory or Spieth for this either -- it just shows how different Tiger was (both skill and how he was wired).
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  • LambLamb LondonMembers Posts: 325 ✭✭
    Maybe when people stop comparing Spieth with Tiger and Jack they wont make such ridiculous threads. Spieth is fine and playing like any top 10 golfer. They gave good and bad weeks/months/years.
  • USAF Retired E7USAF Retired E7 Finnish American Members Posts: 305 ✭✭
    Lamb wrote:


    Maybe when people stop comparing Spieth with Tiger and Jack they wont make such ridiculous threads. Spieth is fine and playing like any top 10 golfer. They gave good and bad weeks/months/years.




    He has no top 10s in 5 events this year.



    Comparing to himself 3 years ago and there's no comparison. Crazy how poor his stats are, with 78th in SG putting being his best.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,135 ✭✭
    Spieth has a career that a lot of current and ex pros would love to have and he will be just fine for the next 25 years on tour if he plays that long.



    Maybe he should get divorced since the wife is the only person who has changed in his life 🙄
  • StrömsborgStrömsborg StockholmMembers Posts: 518 ✭✭
    His average scores in round 1 through 4 the three times he made the cut this season:



    65.7

    69.3

    72.3

    73.0



    Whatever that means.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,784 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 4:41pm #59
    Keep it in perspective. First to last In strokes gained putting isn’t thay many strokes. A hot week with putter can jump you up dramatically.



    The whole strokes gained metric is both very helpful and totally meaningless at the same time.
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  • redfirebird08redfirebird08 Members Posts: 7,916 ✭✭
    I don't think we need to over-analyze it. He's just in a bit of a funk right now and I'm sure he'll come out of it pretty soon. Would not surprise me at all if he wins The Masters.
  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 758 ✭✭
    Lamb wrote:


    Maybe when people stop comparing Spieth with Tiger and Jack they wont make such ridiculous threads. Spieth is fine and playing like any top 10 golfer. They gave good and bad weeks/months/years.


    I'll agree with the comparisons to Tiger/Jack. If we look at their best 10 year run, the difference between Tiger and Phil is huge (Tiger has him more than doubled up). Phil is the 2nd best player of his generation / most majors since Faldo, but he's a (relative) "slacker" compared to Tiger.



    Who knows what the future holds, but Rory and Spieth are about on pace with Phil based on how many years into a 10 year run each of them is at (Spieth would end up higher if he could sustain the first 4 years. Rory kind of depends on what you do with the Euro tour wins).



    Tiger 1999-2008:

    Wins = 58

    Majors = 13



    Phil 2004-2013

    Wins = 21

    Majors = 5



    Rory 2011-Current (8 years)

    Wins = 13 (also played a lot on Euro tour and won there)

    Majors = 4



    Spieth 2015-Current (4 years)

    Wins = 10

    Majors = 3
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