Korean Tour money leader suspended THREE YEARS for obscene gesture

[buckeyefl]

> @shanx said:

> I travel to Korea often, work for a Korean company.

>

> Their athletes are held to the highest expectations and standards, as they are representatives of their home country. Same thing for celebrities. I am sure he will be admonished more harshly for his disrespectful gesture by his sponsors and in Korean media, which can be brutal. When you win in Korea, you are made a "god"; when you publicly embarrass yourself as a Korean, you are shamed. Koreans are very conservative, this action is seen as an extreme act of selfishness and a lack of personal control. It also depicts Koreans in a very bad way, embarrassing the country.

>

> Surprised it wasn't a lifetime ban.

 

Exactly. Like I said, massive difference.

[Oliver Klozoff]

I find it entertaining. Should have doubled his winnings.

[bscinstnct]

> @BiggErn said:

> > @chigolfer1 said:

> > > @shanx said:

> > > I travel to Korea often, work for a Korean company.

> > >

> > > Their athletes are held to the highest expectations and standards, as they are representatives of their home country. Same thing for celebrities. I am sure he will be admonished more harshly for his disrespectful gesture by his sponsors and in Korean media, which can be brutal. When you win in Korea, you are made a "god"; when you publicly embarrass yourself as a Korean, you are shamed. Koreans are very conservative, this action is seen as an extreme act of selfishness and a lack of personal control. It also depicts Koreans in a very bad way, embarrassing the country.

> > >

> > > Surprised it wasn't a lifetime ban.

> >

> > Fair enough, thanks for the background. Based on the length of the suspension, had to figure this was the case.

>

> It’s not how the entire country operates. I mean they have legal prostitution, virtually no environmental standards, rampant counterfeiting, etc. I was stationed there, lived there for a year and a half, and traveled all around the country. People overall aren’t much different than here. Their tour may have strict standards but it’s not universal in the culture like some are making out.

 

....never mind ; )

 

 

[MadGolfer76]

Might not have been the first time he pissed someone off.

[BiggErn]

> @buckeyefl said:

> > @BiggErn said:

> > > @buckeyefl said:

> > > > @ClarkGrswld4 said:

> > > > ****, this is a pretty harsh penalty. Sure he shouldn't have done it but three years?? I thought the Korean tour was based out of South Korea and not North Korea lol

> > > >

> > > > https://www.golfchannel.com/news/korean-tour-money-leader-bio-kim-suspended-3-years-obscene-gesture

> > >

> > > Massive cultural differences. Even so I was still a little surprised at the length of the suspension.

> >

> > It’s different to a degree but it’s not “massive” by any stretch.

>

> That would depend on the person. I lived there and can say without a doubt that many people would find a massive difference and have massive culture shock massively.

 

Not really but same could be said about moving from LA to Bozeman, Montana. Aside from the thieves, prostitution, counterfeiting, bad driving, all the US chain restaurants, night clubs, and everything else we have here I guess it was “massively different. ?

[jdowning111]

I bet they don’t have issues with slow play either...

[iBanesto]

> @tiderider said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @Murphy76 said:

> > > Wow. If this had been *North* Korea, it might make sense.

> > >

> > > I guess those of us in the US take freedom of expression for granted sometimes.....

> > >

> >

> >

> > Yep. I know everyone has the occasion to do so. But I was raised by my grandfather , a two theatre WWII vet , and he made sure I knew what the cost of that type freedom is/was. I’ll hear his voice till my dying day I’m sure. As far as I know I’m the only one he ever described D-day etc to. Far more graphic than any movie I’ve ever seen.

> >

> > Sorry for the history lesson. But it just took over my mind when I read your post.

>

> political philosophical aside here, but "freedom of expression" pertains to being free from government restrictions of expression ... tours are private companies /entities that are "free" to 'express' their restrictions, a cornerstone of capitalism ... are they not? (philosophically speaking) ...

>

> 

>

 

Wow a William F. Buckley reference.

[iBanesto]

Shingo Katayama had to make a public apology for his rudeness to a pro-am guest in 2018.

_

The guest was reportedly offended by Katayama's attitude and behaviour, such as the guest had lined up a putt but Katayama kept practicing his own putts on the green. The amateur quit the round._

 

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/professional-golfer-shingo-katayama-bows-for-apology-during-news-photo/985202858

 

 

[bladehunter]

Kevin Na speaking out. Good on him. Such a good guy. When you see BS say so.

[chigolfer1]

> @bladehunter said:

> Kevin Na speaking out. Good on him. Such a good guy. When you see BS say so.

 

link?

[bladehunter]

> @chigolfer1 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > Kevin Na speaking out. Good on him. Such a good guy. When you see BS say so.

>

> link?

 

 

Was on golf Chanel this morning. A full interview at this weeks tournament. He spoke on and on about it. Whom he’d contacted inside Korean govt etc. and had been on the phone with the player , knew him well etc.

 

[chigolfer1]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @chigolfer1 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > Kevin Na speaking out. Good on him. Such a good guy. When you see BS say so.

> >

> > link?

>

>

> Was on golf Chanel this morning. A full interview at this weeks tournament. He spoke on and on about it. Whom he’d contacted inside Korean govt etc. and had been on the phone with the player , knew him well etc.

>

 

I assume he's saying the suspension length is outrageous?

[grm24]

> @chigolfer1 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > Kevin Na speaking out. Good on him. Such a good guy. When you see BS say so.

>

> link?

 

https://www.golf.com/news/2019/10/03/kevin-na-suspended-korean-pro-three-years-ridiculous-depressed/

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/kevin-na-bio-kims-suspension-three-years-ridiculous

[Body_Visions]

Did anyone see the hat his caddie was wearing today?

[jdowning111]

Sh*!, fu*%, these are highly technical golf terms...you are using them on your very first lesson, this is promising...

[lhahn]

3 years is just plain old good Korean parenting. Good job KPGA Tour! *slow clap*

[Holy Moses]

[Ferguson]

3 years on the metric system is only like 6 months in the USA

 

 

[PZero]

 

[mcputter]

This just in, Sergio Garcia has decided he will never play in another event in Korea.

[third-times-a-charm]

> @"Holy Moses" said:

>

 

lol hollier-than-thou Brandel chimes in from his ivory tower.

[Pepperturbo]

It's fine that people disagree with how the Korean tour handles non-professional or poor behavior. Outside the US, most countries don't acknowledge PC or care what trends on social media, period. No flipping-off, cussing or namby-pamby, methinks. Therefore it's a good thing.

[mosesgolf]

10-1 that no future KPGA or KLPGA players flips the bird at the crowd ever again.

[300_yard_drives]

It would be damn interesting to see what they could do, if at a co-sanction event with Asian tour a non Korean player did the same thing.

> @mosesgolf said:

> 10-1 that no future KPGA or KLPGA players flips the bird at the crowd ever again.

 

 

[golfandfishing]

They could suspend the player from the Korean Tour. They can suspend anyone from the KT for any reason.

 

 

 

> @300_yard_drives said:

> It would be **** interesting to see what they could do, if at a co-sanction event with Asian tour a non Korean player did the same thing.

> > @mosesgolf said:

> > 10-1 that no future KPGA or KLPGA players flips the bird at the crowd ever again.

>

>

 

 

[mocokid]

I have footage of him on one of my slicefixer videos, around 2015, he was student of his. Geoff said Bio was basically a rock star in Korea. His swing looked very solid.

[mocokid]

> @kevinscott22 said:

> Poulter flipped off the crowd at the 2010 Waste Management with no punishment, people forget that

 

they were all drunk and enjoyed giving it back to him.

[300_yard_drives]

And risk losing support from other tour.

> @golfandfishing said:

> They could suspend the player from the Korean Tour. They can suspend anyone from the KT for any reason.

>

>

>

> > @300_yard_drives said:

> > It would be **** interesting to see what they could do, if at a co-sanction event with Asian tour a non Korean player did the same thing.

> > > @mosesgolf said:

> > > 10-1 that no future KPGA or KLPGA players flips the bird at the crowd ever again.

> >

> >

>

>

 

I will tell you one thing. Korean fans are by far the most rude fans I have ever dealt with in professional events. I had them coughing and making noise purposely multiple times during the 3rd round when I was doing well @ Shinhan Donghae Open in Korea in 2016. I was warned by other western players to be careful of spectators distracting you in Korea. I didn’t flip them the bird but maybe I should have.

[4rheel]

> @iBanesto said:

> Shingo Katayama had to make a public apology for his rudeness to a pro-am guest in 2018.

> _

> The guest was reportedly offended by Katayama's attitude and behaviour, such as the guest had lined up a putt but Katayama kept practicing his own putts on the green. The amateur quit the round._

>

> https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/professional-golfer-shingo-katayama-bows-for-apology-during-news-photo/985202858

>

>

 

Wow, why was Ryo Ishikawa there? Did he do something too? He and Shingo both have that same look on their faces. They may claim it's a look of remorse but it looks more like "why the #$%& am I doing here?!?!"

[chigolfer1]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> It's fine that people disagree with how the Korean tour handles non-professional or poor behavior. Outside the US, most countries don't acknowledge PC or care what trends on social media, period. No flipping-off, cussing or namby-pamby, methinks. Therefore it's a good thing.

 

This is confusing. Getting three years for flipping the bird is non-"PC?"