2020 TaylorMade SIM and SIM Max drivers (in hand photos, M5/M6 comparison pics)

[BostonWRX]

Looks like Koepka using the Sim

[TheMoneyShot]

BK will be playing SIM?

[drewcatc]

you cannot bend these as there is no hosel...

[drewcatc]

you are a perfect candidate for the SIM Max D if you are a fader, or if you want that neural weighted head, a SIM Max lower loft lofted up some to close the face to correct that fade some

[Smitty120]

I was looking on the TM site myself and noticed the same thing. If tomorrow the 10th is Pre-Order day? Is strange the SIM is not listed any longer. Wonder if Taylormade could tell us why?

[blink3665]

I'm able to see the full range of Sim heads.

[mgolfer7]

Got to swing a few sim models today and was pleasantly surprised with the look. At address it looks good, similar to m5/m6 with a slightly newer paint job. Bottom still a little extreme with large weight port.

[SwooshLT]

What were your impressions of launch and sound?

[mgolfer7]

It was inside so harder to say. I didn't notice a whole lot difference from m6 I have. I could almost feel the larger weight slot on bottom petruding. I really like the top line appearance but don't think I could justify upgrading.

[easyyy]

I had the same experience. Lower launch, lower spin and great smash. Carry was significantly better than M5 and obviously the roll was as well with lower spin. I was never a M5 fan but the SIM is instantly in the bag. See how it holds up in play.

[GDTBATH]

I hit the Sim Max today and I think it looks amazing. I wasn’t a fan of the sound, though. Overall, it wasn’t to my taste, but these things are always so subjective and obviously TM makes great stuff so give it a try and see what you think for sure.

[halfsumo]

Yearly PSA for anyone ordering an expensive upcharge custom shafted driver direct from Taylormade: they will automatically tip it 1" unless you specifically and clearly tell them not to.

[MCoz]

DAY 1 WITH THE NEW TM SIM DRIVER AND 3WDS

My clubheads arrived Thursday midday. I had the driver shafts I most wanted to try with the driver, the same shaft model that I have in my M5--- Ventus Blue (real deal original Ventus) 6-S. Because of what I knew about the club I chose the 10.5* SIM whereas my M5 is a 9.0. But the SIM with a more square set at address than the open faced M5. It, at first, appears a touch closed only because of being used to the openness of the older club. My set up previously was one notch weaker (2.0* sleeve) M5, the choice for the SIM was more loft but then opened up and delofted two notches (1.0* sleeve in this shaft, but the SIM clubs from the Tour department came to me with 1.5* sleeves). Anyway the results are that I actually hit them with just about the same trajectory. So that works for me. Initially I had excellent control with the SIM. My misses with the M5 is usually a little right (although I am a draw player). For this one day I really didn't have any mis-directed shots. I will also try the Ventus Blue 7-S in the next few days and perhaps something else as I have a lot to choose from. But I have really been a Ventus fan since I first tested the original protos. SIM appears hotter, more on that coming once dialed in.

For the 3 wd, I received two versions the SIM, one is the new club at a much larger 180 cc than the 161 cc M5. The other club is not commercial that is between the two sizes of the M5 and standard SIM. The shafts I have coming for these don't arrive until Friday. So I went with the Ventus Blue 7-S which I also have in the M5 and a Speeder 7.3 S Tour Spec. Both were very good. Although I have really enjoyed the M5 3w, I can already say the one of these SIMs is moving ahead. Very impressive. looking forward to trying the Ventus Red 7-S in them also. I realize many here loved the old V-Steel. While it was a good club it never really made it into my bag. I dug up an old head to remind me. These new clubs are so much more accurate the "old boy" will become a distant memory!

I also received the SIM Max Rescue 3. It is awaiting another shaft arrival on Friday. So that will wait for the next few days. I asked for a slightly stronger loft, I received a measured 18*. Looking forward to that test.

[dcmidnight]

Disappointed to see the SIM not available in 12*.

[St Jimmy]

That's a good looking driver.

I haven't gamed a TM since the original M2. After a horrible range session I realized that I chipped the white paint in a couple spots.

 

Has the durability improved since?

[getitdaily]

Nope. Don't want a draw biased driver.

And I don't need a more closed face relative to path. That would be bad too. What i enjoy is being able to reduce sidespin with slight changes in CoG location.

[nfreda2211]

I got to hit it yesterday with a few different shafts. It’s a really nice club but didn’t beat my g400 lst.

[KC4441]

Could be just me but the shafts on the custom page for Taylormade have not changed since last year. Gotta say I'm a little disappointed.

[GoGoErky]

I don’t believe the smoke green was there last year. It’s also probably a combo of inventory control and not too many new aftermarket shafts on the market in the last year

[mktrout]

Wondering why the Smoke Green says its a 70G and also therefore has a d5 swingweight, but in the specs says its 61grams. Granted I know its not the hand crafted like on the True Temper website, but the 70G 6.0 on there says its 70 grams. Seems kinds weird.

[RonSwanson]

Especially important if you are ordering the Ventus Black

[sdandrea]

Just another opinion that doesn't matter, but TM equipment just keeps getting uglier. I can't criticize the performance and popularity, but these wild, modernistic designs are too much of a departure for me.

[jblack06]

I think the must just have the wrong picture on the site because I talked to a rep who said it was definitely 61g.

[1s1k]

Are these the real deal Ventus Black shafts TM is offering or a made for

[mktrout]

Thats funny because I just got this txt from the rep:

Copy and Paste exact.

the smoke green on the SIM says its a 70G, but the weight in the specs says is 61grams in stiff. on the true temper site the smoke green 70 is 70 grams, but the smoke 60 is 61 grams... so which is it?

The 70 is 70. Spec sheet has a typo on it

ok, so every retailer out there displaying it on their website for the presale today has it wrong?

Yeah, they all just copy the info from us. I hit the shaft yesterday. It is a 70g shaft

 

 

[GoGoErky]

Both. The stock offering is made for but the upgrade ones are real deal

[RonSwanson]

Correct. The stock "Ventus" does not have Velocore, which is the marque technology that makes a Ventus a Ventus so not really sure what this shaft is supposed to be.

 

The aftermarket Ventus with Velocore, the real shaft that is getting all the positive reviews and hype, is available as an upcharge option, $250 on the TM site.

[GoGoErky]

I’ve heard it has velocore in the tip and other say it’s just the name and no velocore.

[RonSwanson]

There is a material and technology difference between the two:

 

Unlike the aftermarket version, the TaylorMade version lacks full-length Pitch 70 fiber in the bias layer. It lacks VeloCore (Ventus’ signature technology) and will play softer in the tip section because of it.

 

Torque for the stock Ventus Blue 6s is 3.8, on the aftermarket Ventus Blue 6s is 3.1

[Dat_Dude]

For those that play shorter shafts, how would one add weight to get it back to stock SW? Will TM offer a heavier slider weight? Heavier "back weight"? Or am I looking at lead tape?