New Titleist Woods 2020/2021

[geakins]

7 hours ago, levitronix said:

My own driver was not getting into the 160's ball speed and low heal strike would loose huge amounts of distance for me thats what I see on the course . Every shot I hit I got the ball speed over 160.

 

My own driver is 917 d2 with av raw blue x

Got fitted into tsi3 10' av raw white x flex, I couldnt feel the face twist on miss hits, I had too look at the face to double check 

What were your impressions on the about raw white in x flex? I am considering this shaft as an option, or the Tour AD XC which I know is an up change. Thanks!

[geakins]

1 hour ago, JerryTBall said:

I’d like to see some numbers on a SS of 95-100. That will be me once the tour design shafts come in, the heads are in at Continental Golf

Good ole Continental Golf. I used to work at their Wilmington store when it was Carolina Custom Golf. Those were some good times! 

[Doyouevenblade]

4 hours ago, jons1 said:

 

 

I have no doubt these are an improvement over the ts2/ts3 but an absolutely terrible look for the Titleist fitting they published a month ago on their channel.  Leaving close to 40 yards on the table for each of them? Yikes.  

[levitronix]

6 hours ago, geakins said:

What were your impressions on the about raw white in x flex? I am considering this shaft as an option, or the Tour AD XC which I know is an up change. Thanks!

Raw white was so nice felt really smooth but never got away from me, I play the blue in x the white was harder to turn over every shot had less curve 

[JerryTBall]

8 hours ago, Doyouevenblade said:

 

I have no doubt these are an improvement over the ts2/ts3 but an absolutely terrible look for the Titleist fitting they published a month ago on their channel.  Leaving close to 40 yards on the table for each of them? Yikes.  

After reading what you said here I was a little confused so I watch the video you’re saying leaving 40 yards on the table for each of them! were you talking about the older one losing 40 yards to the new one? Then the new one is worth taking a look at.  But listening to some of the recommendations of some of the guys just for the heck of it I might do a driver fitting although I may not buy a driver from Champion Golf just to see What is the best set up for me whether it be a Titleist, Callaway, or a ping. I’m tired of buying drivers due to popularity or what I think I need performance and not cosmetics. Hell I’ve never hit a Nike sumo maybe that’s my club LOL

Edited October 16, 2020 by JerryTBall

[Doyouevenblade]

3 hours ago, JerryTBall said:

After reading what you said here I was a little confused so I watch the video you’re saying leaving 40 yards on the table for each of them! were you talking about the older one losing 40 yards to the new one? Then the new one is worth taking a look at.  But listening to some of the recommendations of some of the guys just for the heck of it I might do a driver fitting although I may not buy a driver from Champion Golf just to see What is the best set up for me whether it be a Titleist, Callaway, or a ping. I’m tired of buying drivers due to popularity or what I think I need performance and not cosmetics. Hell I’ve never hit a Nike sumo maybe that’s my club LOL

According to their youtube channel they were fit for the Titleist drivers they are replacing in this video a month ago. That fitter looks to have done a TERRIBLE job. 

[Krooks Boepka]

1 minute ago, Doyouevenblade said:

According to their youtube channel they were fit for the Titleist drivers they are replacing in this video a month ago. That fitter looks to have done a TERRIBLE job. 

I head about this too...maybe just better to stick with TM? BTW, love your name!

[jons1]

27 minutes ago, Doyouevenblade said:

According to their youtube channel they were fit for the Titleist drivers they are replacing in this video a month ago. That fitter looks to have done a TERRIBLE job. 

 

If I remember correctly, they were fit on a cool rainy morning last time.  So to be honest, they were probably fit well at the time for that fitting, and under different conditions there was room for improvement.

 

All in all, I think Titleist continues to produce excellent equipment and these drivers appear to continue that.

 

 

[btyh]

26 minutes ago, jons1 said:

 

If I remember correctly, they were fit on a cool rainy morning last time.  So to be honest, they were probably fit well at the time for that fitting, and under different conditions there was room for improvement.

 

All in all, I think Titleist continues to produce excellent equipment and these drivers appear to continue that.

 

 

Tgx tour experience youtube video shows how essential it is for shaft fitting. So I wouldn't really fit yourself with the stock shaft options. I would suit the shaft thats best for the club and your metrics. I hope to do the same with 4 shafts I have thats fit for my swing

[BirdieBob]

 

 

[Lemonde]

On 10/16/2020 at 10:33 AM, Krooks Boepka said:

I head about this too...maybe just better to stick with TM? BTW, love your name!

You have the better name. Hilarious! 

[MrShield]

On 10/16/2020 at 6:13 PM, BirdieBob said:

 

 

“I will decrease loft and set it flatter” and sets it to C4 and then say it looks better with lower loft 🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🙈

[Valtiel]

5 hours ago, MrShield said:

“I will decrease loft and set it flatter” and sets it to C4 and then say it looks better with lower loft 🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🙈

Yeah that was a big whoops there. He had the tools to fix his main complaint with what was otherwise a really solid performer and he booted it in the wrong direction. 

[BirdieBob]

 

[BottleCap]

On 10/16/2020 at 7:31 AM, Doyouevenblade said:

According to their youtube channel they were fit for the Titleist drivers they are replacing in this video a month ago. That fitter looks to have done a TERRIBLE job. 

 

Looks like they released the fitting video for the TS back in September 2018, which was also a wet day. At that time Frank gained 20 yards and Mike gained 15, and i saw a carry on the screen as 242 don't know who that was. From their videos, neither of them have an ounce of athleticism so i bet their swings can change wildly day to day based on how many bowls of spaghetti they had that week.

 

 

 

 

[GBBM]

20 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Yeah that was a big whoops there. He had the tools to fix his main complaint with what was otherwise a really solid performer and he booted it in the wrong direction. 

Must have been holding it upside down. I know I always quadruple check the settings on Surefit hosels I have had over the years. 

[chinaski]

59 minutes ago, BottleCap said:

 

Looks like they released the fitting video for the TS back in September 2018, which was also a wet day. At that time Frank gained 20 yards and Mike gained 15, and i saw a carry on the screen as 242 don't know who that was. From their videos, neither of them have an ounce of athleticism so i bet their swings can change wildly day to day based on how many bowls of spaghetti they had that week.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha. Spaghetti comment was great. I skimmed through that vid. At 8:49 he says he is using a Rogue 95 gm shaft? That looks like the weaker 95 MSI.

 

[JerryTBall]

So I had a chance to hit the TSI3 with the speeder evo 5 569 stiff shaft, I’m 66 these are my numbers it’s the best that it got trying driver heads from Callaway, TM, tour exotic, my gamer (M5), and my 410 plus and five or six different shafts, and the best combination for me was speeder evo V 569. this being at the end of a three hour session of hitting irons I was able to keep my clubhead speed up as well as I could. To be honest I don’t care to hit out of the bay and tee the ball as low as I was asked to tee it, I like high tee, the fact that I was getting good dispersion and the extra distance I was getting, I’m satisfied, I was swinging awful so all good

 

 

comparing this to my 410 driver and my M5 the numbers on my 410 and my M5 were only in the high 190s drive distance and the spin was up in the 4 to 5000s consistently so the speeder evo  five and the TSI three head was a better fit for me the two had too much spin

Edited October 21, 2020 by JerryTBall
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[BostonWRX]

 

[SBH9458]

TSi3 is definitely the way to go for me!!!  Can’t wait to get it!

[JerryTBall]

16 hours ago, SBH9458 said:

TSi3 is definitely the way to go for me!!!  Can’t wait to get it!

I can tell you honestly my tsi3 with that speeder evo 5 569 shaft tops out at north of $900, that not inflated, it’s a $400 shaft, even talking to fujikura best could find new $390, puring the shaft is another cost, I’ve never heard of that but once I saw mine with and without I’m onboard for all clubs in my bag pured. I boxed up 2 sets of irons, a FW wood, 4 wedges, 2 drivers sent to second swing for cash back, and setup a whole new bag with proper shafts heads woods ect. Oh forgot the cost was with a 10% military discount, get 10 C notes prepared lol !

Edited October 21, 2020 by JerryTBall

[BirdieBob]

 

 

[JerryTBall]

I’m guessing from the post with all the data, but no personal comments you’re showing other drivers much more low spin. That’s fine if you’ve got a swing speed north of 105 miles an hour. That’ll work for somebody with a ball speed above 160 I’ve had low spin drivers and they do not work for me at all and I don’t think they work for the majority of mid handicap golfers that can’t get their ball speed above 140-150

[StrokesGainedBreakfastBall]

On 10/15/2020 at 7:14 PM, Doyouevenblade said:

 

I have no doubt these are an improvement over the ts2/ts3 but an absolutely terrible look for the Titleist fitting they published a month ago on their channel.  Leaving close to 40 yards on the table for each of them? Yikes.  

Agree.  The new TSi seems to be an improvement, but to gain 40 yards during a fitting doesn't say much about their previous fitting.  I could understand how these influencers want to show a good result for their sponsors, but this lacks authenticity.  I could understand if the fitter captured some shots when the player was warming up.  But the Trackman Ball data between the gamer driver and the TSi driver just seems too wide.  It makes me wonder if they took baseline conditions with the normal range ball and then captured new driver launch conditions with the Pro V.  1st player was spinning his gamer up to 5500 RPM, then the TSi3 was able to drop the spin down to 2000's?  Perhaps the player was just mailing it in with his gamer and really focussed with the TSi3 in order to show a greater contrast between the 2.  But if the new product is really that good, why resort to this type of result?  The fitter is quite good by the way, very good communicator.  

[JerryTBall]

22 hours ago, StrokesGainedBreakfastBall said:

Agree.  The new TSi seems to be an improvement, but to gain 40 yards during a fitting doesn't say much about their previous fitting.  I could understand how these influencers want to show a good result for their sponsors, but this lacks authenticity.  I could understand if the fitter captured some shots when the player was warming up.  But the Trackman Ball data between the gamer driver and the TSi driver just seems too wide.  It makes me wonder if they took baseline conditions with the normal range ball and then captured new driver launch conditions with the Pro V.  1st player was spinning his gamer up to 5500 RPM, then the TSi3 was able to drop the spin down to 2000's?  Perhaps the player was just mailing it in with his gamer and really focussed with the TSi3 in order to show a greater contrast between the 2.  But if the new product is really that good, why resort to this type of result?  The fitter is quite good by the way, very good communicator.  

Since I went through a three hour fitting the other day I had my 410+ and M5 and even switching out to a different shaft on my gamers the TSI three with the recommended shaft, the speeder gave me a much better numbers than what I was doing and even I was swinging poorly after three hours Of hitting my irons I was still able to get a few out there in a 230 range which for 92 to 94 miles an hour was not bad my swing space higher than that but I was just tired.

One important aspect I forgot to mention, and I’ve said it before here, I am sensitive to swing weight changes, and usually any driver over D3 I don’t care for the fact that I was getting decent distance with a bad swing but good dispersion the driver set up D8 very surprising but that can be adjusted if it tends to bother me down the road.

Edited October 22, 2020 by JerryTBall
Added additional notes

[canonlbp430]

Just got done with my fitting. I experienced the lower spin but also lower launch, not higher launch that I had planned on. Have been playing the TS3 9.0 with evenflow 65X for last two years. I was launching that around 12.5 with 2200-2400 rpm. With the TSi3 9.0 I was launching between 10-11 with just about every shaft option.  I was ranging from 1700-1900 rpm.

 

The most consistent shaft for me was the tour ADIZ 7X. We ended up taking that into the 10.0 with D4 setting, so quite a bit of extra loft. That got me up to similar numbers as TS3 of 13-14 launch and 2300-2400 spin. I think the biggest differences were sound and consistency. The sound is much better. I actually went back to TS3 for one shot midway through fitting and it was a little shock to the senses how loud it was after hitting the TSi3 for 15-20 shots. Ball speed and launch conditions were very consistent on mishits. I had a few legitimate mishits that resulted in almost exact same launch conditions as solid contact with just 3-4 mph less of ball speed. On square hits I was getting 1-2 mph more ball speed than TS3 with 1/2" shorter shaft.

 

Cosmetically the head looks great. It's cloudy and cold here so not very bright but the color is slightly different. I would characterize it as deeper color with less shine. Still a gloss finish but not as reflective. The alignment aid difference became an afterthought immediately. The font is much smaller than I thought it would be. I thought it looked great. I only briefly looked at the TS2 in my last fitting and the TSi2 this time around but to me the TSi2 looked like it might have been even a little more stretched out than TS2.

 

I pulled the trigger on TSi3 10.0 with ADIZ 7x at 45".

Edited October 22, 2020 by canonlbp430

[JerryTBall]

12 minutes ago, canonlbp430 said:

Just got done with my fitting. I experienced the lower spin but also lower launch, not higher launch that I had planned on. Have been playing the TS3 9.0 with evenflow 65X for last two years. I was launching that around 12.5 with 2200-2400 rpm. With the TSi3 9.0 I was launching between 10-11 with just about every shaft option.  I was ranging from 1700-1900 rpm.

 

The most consistent shaft for me was the tour ADIZ 7X. We ended up taking that into the 10.0 with D4 setting, so quite a bit of extra loft. That got me up to similar numbers  as TS3 of 12-13 launch and 2300-2400 spin. I think the biggest differences were sound and consistency. The sound is much better. I actually went back to TS3 for one shot midway through fitting and it was a little shock to the senses how loud it was after hitting the TSi3 for 15-20 shots. Ball speed and launch conditions were very consistent on mishits. I had a few legitimate mishits that resulted in almost exact same launch conditions as solid contact with just 3-4 mph less of ball speed. On square hits I was getting 1-2 mph more ball speed than TS3 with 1/2" shorter shaft.

 

Cosmetically the head looks great. It's cloudy and cold here so not very bright but the color is slightly different. I would characterize it as deeper color with less shine. Still a gloss finish but not as reflective. The alignment aid difference became an afterthought immediately. The font is much smaller than I thought it would be. I thought it looked great. I only briefly looked at the TS2 in my last fitting and the TSi2 this time around but to me the TSi2 looked like it might have been even a little more stretched out than TS2.

 

I pulled the trigger on TSi3 10.0 with ADIZ 7x at 45".

Congrats 🎉  I’m going in to bang the one I have ordered tomorrow with the shoes I normally play in, plus being rested and been working on coming from the inside alittle more see if I can show some better numbers.

[SBH9458]

57 minutes ago, canonlbp430 said:

Just got done with my fitting. I experienced the lower spin but also lower launch, not higher launch that I had planned on. Have been playing the TS3 9.0 with evenflow 65X for last two years. I was launching that around 12.5 with 2200-2400 rpm. With the TSi3 9.0 I was launching between 10-11 with just about every shaft option.  I was ranging from 1700-1900 rpm.

 

The most consistent shaft for me was the tour ADIZ 7X. We ended up taking that into the 10.0 with D4 setting, so quite a bit of extra loft. That got me up to similar numbers as TS3 of 13-14 launch and 2300-2400 spin. I think the biggest differences were sound and consistency. The sound is much better. I actually went back to TS3 for one shot midway through fitting and it was a little shock to the senses how loud it was after hitting the TSi3 for 15-20 shots. Ball speed and launch conditions were very consistent on mishits. I had a few legitimate mishits that resulted in almost exact same launch conditions as solid contact with just 3-4 mph less of ball speed. On square hits I was getting 1-2 mph more ball speed than TS3 with 1/2" shorter shaft.

 

Cosmetically the head looks great. It's cloudy and cold here so not very bright but the color is slightly different. I would characterize it as deeper color with less shine. Still a gloss finish but not as reflective. The alignment aid difference became an afterthought immediately. The font is much smaller than I thought it would be. I thought it looked great. I only briefly looked at the TS2 in my last fitting and the TSi2 this time around but to me the TSi2 looked like it might have been even a little more stretched out than TS2.

 

I pulled the trigger on TSi3 10.0 with ADIZ 7x at 45".

You just dialed up my order except I stayed stock length. I cannot wait to get it in play!

[MMB1500]

2 hours ago, SBH9458 said:

You just dialed up my order except I stayed stock length. I cannot wait to get it in play!

 

What is the stock length on these? 

[LeftyMatt24]

3 minutes ago, MMB1500 said:

 

What is the stock length on these? 

45.5. I ordered mine .75 short