Rickie Fowler is a cautionary tale in overexposing a superstar

[mocokid]

19 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

You know he was heading straight to Studio 54 after the game.  

No no wasn't open when that was taken.  he went to Bachelors 3 which he owned with 2 other players. Rozelle made him shut it down cuz gamblers etc. liked to hang out with Joe.  Joe quit on account of Rozelle's action for a short time, then sold the joint. 

[MtlJeff]

The marketing thing is kind of interesting too in regards to Rickie. Whether or not his play "lived up" to his marketing image, i might argue at least from an optics perspective, he has been the second best "marketer" of golf products of the past 20 years. Obviously Tiger would be #1 in that he literally helped start a new brand and gained them widespread usage and a following, even if they eventually stopped making equipment. 

 

But Rickie's impact on golf clothes, hats, even the color orange. You see it everywhere. He was and still is incredibly popular with young golfers. I would also argue he was instrumental in helping with Cobra make a bit of a comeback. Before Rickie i feel like they were kind of middling

 

It's hard to think of someone other than Tiger, who has been a better brand ambassador than Rickie. 

 

Maybe that's why he was "overexposed". It was working!

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, freeze16172002 said:

Would have a hard time wanting to be 5'6 150lbs with a size 7 shoe. I would rather walk in Brooks shoes 

 

Id chop my toes off to be a 7 shoe and go on lettuce diet to be Rickie 😂

Edited December 10, 2020 by bscinstnct

[MUNIGRIT]

Rickie just doesn't have that killer instinct/win at all cost take no casualty attitude. He isn't the only one and Finau seems to be there too. It is ok though. Both are filthy rich and live a great life. That is the whole point of playing pro golf. It is a business. Rickie said in his subpar pod his goal was to make it to tour and win and he has done that. 

[Nard_S]

On 12/8/2020 at 11:54 AM, munichop said:

Brandle had a concise evaluation of RF last year before his instructor change. Basically he was good at everything but not fantastic at anything. But his flatter swing plane really hurts his ability to control shots from the rough.  I see RF a little like Spieth but Spieth had the hot putter in majors for awhile and better out of the rough. The reality is most of the guys on tour are hot only a short time during the year.  If someone else gets hotter they are not going to win.  I am sure RF wants to win more but if he can get paid by sponsors take it while you can. 
look at Justin Rose , taylormade did not want to pay him and he was no. 1 in the world. So he went to Honma.

I think this is big factor. More muscle mass might help here.

My frustration with him has been in his game management. He can be stupid aggressive which looks amazing when he's on but in a major can force an implosion and take him out of contention fast. 

[dropkicked]

2 hours ago, freeze16172002 said:

Would have a hard time wanting to be 5'6 150lbs with a size 7 shoe. I would rather walk in Brooks shoes 

Comments such as these are hilarious.. Rumors were that Rickie, tore through the talent while at the Olympics..  You laugh at the mans stature but perhaps you didn't realize that he's a legend..  aka: "Big" Rick...

😅

[Trip72]

Spieth & McElroy won their majors in bunches. Rickie would be right their with those guys if won a few of those majors during that year where he finished in the top 5 for all four. That was his peak, so far.

[ebrasmus21]

32 minutes ago, dropkicked said:

Comments such as these are hilarious.. Rumors were that Rickie, tore through the talent while at the Olympics..  You laugh at the mans stature but perhaps you didn't realize that he's a legend..  aka: "Big" Rick...

😅

I’ve heard stories that a big part of logistical planning for any Olympic Games is being able to have enough condoms available to the athletes staying in the village.  
 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

4 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

The marketing thing is kind of interesting too in regards to Rickie. Whether or not his play "lived up" to his marketing image, i might argue at least from an optics perspective, he has been the second best "marketer" of golf products of the past 20 years. Obviously Tiger would be #1 in that he literally helped start a new brand and gained them widespread usage and a following, even if they eventually stopped making equipment. 

 

But Rickie's impact on golf clothes, hats, even the color orange. You see it everywhere. He was and still is incredibly popular with young golfers. I would also argue he was instrumental in helping with Cobra make a bit of a comeback. Before Rickie i feel like they were kind of middling

 

It's hard to think of someone other than Tiger, who has been a better brand ambassador than Rickie. 

 

Maybe that's why he was "overexposed". It was working!

Jeff, I think that's very well said.  I think it was you that said about the article, that a lot of times it's the editor that comes up with a title (for sensationalism etc) not the author.  The article could have just as easily been entitled; "Rickie Fowler, an illuminating tale of how being a nice guy can help make you a superstar." 🙂

Edited December 10, 2020 by BlackDiamondPar5

[bscinstnct]

49 minutes ago, ebrasmus21 said:

I’ve heard stories that a big part of logistical planning for any Olympic Games is being able to have enough condoms available to the athletes staying in the village.  
 

 

Athletes competing in the Winter Olympics have been handed 110,000 condoms - a record number for the games. 

It works out at roughly 38 condoms each and gives competitors enough opportunity to heat up what could be the coldest winter games in 20 years. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/newsbeat-43044632

 

 

[Krt22]

11 minutes ago, ebrasmus21 said:

Layin pipe.  

Rickie was playing more than 18 holes daily, nam sayin

[bscinstnct]

Be like,

 

here comes Sweden!

 

 

[Ironman_32]

40 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Jeff, I think that's very well said.  I think it was you that said about the article, that a lot of times it's the editor that comes up with a title (for sensationalism etc) not the author.  The article could have just as easily been entitled; "Rickie Fowler, an illuminating tale of how being a nice guy can help make you a superstar." 🙂

I second what Jeff said. 

 

It's somewhat symbiotic for the PGA tour in a way; you have guys like Rickie who more kids probably lean towards, then other guys who "win", like a DJ/Rory, who probably is less marketable. Kind of like a Billy Bean thing in a way, "if we can't find one guy to equal Tiger...who says we can't have two guys equal Tiger." Almost if you split Tiger in two you'd have Rory and Rickie, to a lesser extent (also funny they were on the same video game title).

 

also kind of "come for the X, stay for the Y" type deal 

[Soloman1]

 

 

[bscinstnct]

33 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

 

Anything that includes the chiclets but not the erasers 😂

 

 

[pktaske]

On 12/9/2020 at 12:43 PM, bscinstnct said:

 

Winning alone does often not translate to an athletes viability for sponsors marketing goals. 
 

I mean, look at Broadway Joe. Won one championship and 50 years later, he’s on TV...like 5000 times a day! 😂

 

 

Great example.

 

Ricky ever wins a major, this whole conversation is different.

[pktaske]

7 hours ago, naval2006 said:

Super talented golfer, perhaps too nice for pro golf.

 

Nice or not nice (and everything in between) probably have nothing more than a peripheral impact on anyone's accomplishments in golf.

[naval2006]

29 minutes ago, pktaske said:

 

Nice or not nice (and everything in between) probably have nothing more than a peripheral impact on anyone's accomplishments in golf.

I meant nice as in a bit of a lack of killer instinct. 

[freeze16172002]

1 hour ago, pktaske said:

Great example.

 

Ricky ever wins a major, this whole conversation is different.

does he qualify to play in majors?

[FakeClubPro]

9 hours ago, mocokid said:

No no wasn't open when that was taken.  he went to Bachelors 3 which he owned with 2 other players. Rozelle made him shut it down cuz gamblers etc. liked to hang out with Joe.  Joe quit on account of Rozelle's action for a short time, then sold the joint. 

Oddly, Broadway Joe lives in Jupiter probably not far from Ricky.

[WhostherealSlimShady]

 

17 hours ago, freeze16172002 said:

does he qualify to play in majors?

Actually he is currently 52 in the world and he does not qualify for The Masters in April ....

[Socrates]

18 hours ago, pktaske said:

Great example.

 

Ricky ever wins a major, this whole conversation is different.

He's already won the Players.  Oh, wait.  Only the Tour players consider it a Major.

[bscinstnct]

18 hours ago, pktaske said:

Great example.

 

Ricky ever wins a major, this whole conversation is different.

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by bscinstnct

[chippa13]

The funny thing about this topic is the 99.9% of the guys who have ever played on the pro tour have only two goals in mind; 1. Get on the Tour, and, 2. Stay on the Tour.

[ebrasmus21]

16 minutes ago, chippa13 said:

The funny thing about this topic is the 99.9% of the guys who have ever played on the pro tour have only two goals in mind; 1. Get on the Tour, and, 2. Stay on the Tour.

Meanwhile, on WRX, if Rickie doesn’t win 30 Tour events, 6 WGC events and 4 majors he qualifies as an underachiever 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Is Rickie now outside of top 50 OWGR? According to the author if he's not top 50 by year end he won't be going to Augusta.  That would be a shame. His % missed cuts for 2020 is the highest it's been in the last 10 years by a lot. I know 2020 is a totally screwed year and this years performance may not mean a lot, but I hope he makes it to The Masters.

[swagee]

On 12/7/2020 at 7:40 AM, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

I'm sure some of you have already seen this but many not.  It supports my hypothesis that earning lots of endorsement money can occupy too much time and be a disincentive to working as hard as possible on the craft that got you there.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/12/06/eamon-lynch-rickie-fowler-cautionary-tale-overexposing-a-superstar/

 

I'm a Fowler fan so I hope he can be more competitive. 

 

I think u meant Jordan Speith? 

Big d Rick is very talented, but I don’t see greatness in him, at least to this point. His work ethic and competitiveness aren’t an issue either. He regularly made the Ryders and Presidents cup, so he must be doing something right.

Tho I agree that money can be a huge distraction for young players, big d Rick is no longer young in golf age. He’s mature in his lifestyle and gameplay. It sucks to think that he doesn’t have it in him to be great. He might be the Garcia of his generation, always lurking in the shadow of his peers...

[Holy Moses]

2 hours ago, ebrasmus21 said:

Meanwhile, on WRX, if Rickie doesn’t win 30 Tour events, 6 WGC events and 4 majors he qualifies as an underachiever 

How bout just 1 major? Underachiever is in relation to hype. 

[bscinstnct]

21 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Is Rickie now outside of top 50 OWGR? According to the author if he's not top 50 by year end he won't be going to Augusta.  That would be a shame. His % missed cuts for 2020 is the highest it's been in the last 10 years by a lot. I know 2020 is a totally screwed year and this years performance may not mean a lot, but I hope he makes it to The Masters.

 

“I’m out at Augusta and you stink at pole vaulting, looks like we’re all washed up, babe!”

 

”Yeah, dang, what do we do now?”

 

”I don’t know, what do you think we should do?”

 

”I don’t know...”

 

”Get a lobster?”

 

”Cool, want to fly down to St Barts? I like the ones without the claws”

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2020 by bscinstnct

[pktaske]

1 hour ago, Holy Moses said:

How bout just 1 major? Underachiever is in relation to hype. 

True. The difference with Ricky is he never hyped himself. Sergio is an arrogant %$#@ who never won a major but he had a big mouth and hyped himself. There's a few others I can mention. If he's 'underachieved', its because of name and face recognition and dopey folks in golf who use his name to act like they know what they're talking about.

 

In other news, Ricky Fowler almost ran over my son with a rented Cadillac CTS in Seattle Bright NJ...but that's a story for another time.

Edited December 11, 2020 by pktaske