Tour Kuch putting right armlock - 2021 3M Open

[GolfWRX_Spotted]

[manxytag]

would you need to change the loft doing it this way?

[toddyc]

Looks completely absurd

[pga43]

30 minutes ago, manxytag said:

would you need to change the loft doing it this way?

I believe they are testing zero loft on the putters

 

 

Greg

[Tupperwolf]

It just looks... so awkward...  Every shot in golf has the hands ahead.  I can see using the feel of the right hand swinging the putter.. but this is, like, hands behind the ball.  I understand sometimes you need a new feel but this is like nothing else in golf.  He looks contorted in an uncomfortable way.

[Feelingofgreatness]

Arm lock needs to be banned

[ASN21]

3 minutes ago, Feelingofgreatness said:

Arm lock needs to be banned

So does this

 

[Feelingofgreatness]

Just now, ASN21 said:

So does this

 

 

AGREED!

The putter should be held in your hands like all the other golf clubs.

[daviegolf1991]

looks so uncomfortable, could imagine the arm and back being very sore after putting like that all day. I don't get some of these pros, you play golf for a living, how hard is it to just keep it simple. I agree, all these anchoring methods need to stop.  

[Valtiel]

7 minutes ago, daviegolf1991 said:

looks so uncomfortable, could imagine the arm and back being very sore after putting like that all day. I don't get some of these pros, you play golf for a living, how hard is it to just keep it simple. I agree, all these anchoring methods need to stop.  

Part of playing golf at a high level is also recognizing when something isn't working as well as it could be and improving. If "keeping it simple" isn't yielding tournament success then you try something else. 

[toddyc]

32 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

Part of playing golf at a high level is also recognizing when something isn't working as well as it could be and improving. If "keeping it simple" isn't yielding tournament success then you try something else. 

Must be pretty desperate to try this 

[BD57]

Seems the gripe about anything but "old school putting" always comes down to "appearance," a/k/a "it doesn't look right."

 

Funny thing . . . . the same folks don't agitate for outlawing graphite shafts, 460cc driver heads, perimeter weighting, etc. - or, for that matter, putter designs which maximize MOI.

 

None of which existed in the "good old days."

 

For the purists, why aren't you advocating for outlawing graphite shafts, driver heads no bigger than the old persimmons, and putters no more complicated than the old bullseye / 8802 / Billy Casper-type mallet?

 

If armlock was so much better, why'd Xander abandon it so quickly - especially after spouting off like he did that it should be banned because it's soooooooo superior?

 

"Oops" . . . I guess it wasn't "superior" for Xander . . . . 

 

armlock doesn't "lock" the club in place.  At most, it provides a tactile checkpoint / reminder to the player using it - "If you let your wrists break down, the grip will come off your forearm."

 

But that's all - armlock doesn't "keep the grip there," the player has to do that with his wrists.

 

No different than any other player whose putting method 'keys' on not letting the wrists break down.

Edited July 21, 2021 by BD57

[tatertot]

That looks really painful on the right wrist ...

[MMB1500]

Desperate stuff.

Edited July 22, 2021 by MMB1500

[NoCalHack]

Let’s ban it because it’s obvious it would be an advantage. 🤣

 

In seriousness, for any putt he makes that way they should take off strokes.  

[animalgolfs]

3 hours ago, Feelingofgreatness said:

 

AGREED!

The putter should be held in your hands like all the other golf clubs.

Looks at picture

 

Reads this post

 

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by animalgolfs

[toddyc]

2 hours ago, BD57 said:

Seems the gripe about anything but "old school putting" always comes down to "appearance," a/k/a "it doesn't look right."

 

Funny thing . . . . the same folks don't agitate for outlawing graphite shafts, 460cc driver heads, perimeter weighting, etc. - or, for that matter, putter designs which maximize MOI.

 

None of which existed in the "good old days."

 

For the purists, why aren't you advocating for outlawing graphite shafts, driver heads no bigger than the old persimmons, and putters no more complicated than the old bullseye / 8802 / Billy Casper-type mallet?

 

If armlock was so much better, why'd Xander abandon it so quickly - especially after spouting off like he did that it should be banned because it's soooooooo superior?

 

"Oops" . . . I guess it wasn't "superior" for Xander . . . . 

 

armlock doesn't "lock" the club in place.  At most, it provides a tactile checkpoint / reminder to the player using it - "If you let your wrists break down, the grip will come off your forearm."

 

But that's all - armlock doesn't "keep the grip there," the player has to do that with his wrists.

 

No different than any other player whose putting method 'keys' on not letting the wrists break down.

Fine to go ahead and arm lock I’m just saying this looks like an absurd way to putt. But he’s a savage golfer and I’m just a random guy so what do I know

[Ben Berube]

I used to belly and arm lock before it was even a thing 10-12 years ago. It’s so much easier to hit your lines with both once you get the hang of it.

So the issue is the speed. It was way harder to feel distances and put touch on the roll. 
To each their own. I now see red stakes and  play it that way. I also know you can ground and move lose impediments. 
It’s rules fellas and when basketball was first invented with Apple baskets the ball had to be removed by a guy on a ladder every score.  
rules change to improve the games. So until the rules change we obey.

KISS is what comes to mind. I have enough to worry about in life!

[thatsmybikepunk]

On 7/21/2021 at 6:58 PM, BD57 said:

Seems the gripe about anything but "old school putting" always comes down to "appearance," a/k/a "it doesn't look right."

 

Funny thing . . . . the same folks don't agitate for outlawing graphite shafts, 460cc driver heads, perimeter weighting, etc. - or, for that matter, putter designs which maximize MOI.

 

None of which existed in the "good old days."

 

For the purists, why aren't you advocating for outlawing graphite shafts, driver heads no bigger than the old persimmons, and putters no more complicated than the old bullseye / 8802 / Billy Casper-type mallet?

 

If armlock was so much better, why'd Xander abandon it so quickly - especially after spouting off like he did that it should be banned because it's soooooooo superior?

 

"Oops" . . . I guess it wasn't "superior" for Xander . . . . 

 

armlock doesn't "lock" the club in place.  At most, it provides a tactile checkpoint / reminder to the player using it - "If you let your wrists break down, the grip will come off your forearm."

 

But that's all - armlock doesn't "keep the grip there," the player has to do that with his wrists.

 

No different than any other player whose putting method 'keys' on not letting the wrists break down.

Couldn’t agree more 👍

[bladehunter]

Kuchar has been doing this for a couple months.  At least. Forget which tournament it was mentioned in.   But before the Pga I’m sure.  But great pics Greg , best look at it Ive seen. 

Edited July 23, 2021 by bladehunter

[ProjectX]

Nothing about this looks comfortable. The last place I want to be standing over a putt that I need to make is in a position of discomfort.

[wcbjr]

On 7/21/2021 at 7:20 PM, tatertot said:

That looks really painful on the right wrist ...

[skee]

Take a look at the stats none of these guys are amazing putters, not in the top 30 in putting....none of these guys are putting lights out and taking the tour by storm...did you see how bad that Zalatoris putt was?!?! He was arm-locking, if he didn't have that want I don't think he would be where he is now.....Once the green reading books are banned, don't know how Byrson will cope with 3ft putts 

Edited July 23, 2021 by skee

[Pleasedwith3putts]

On 7/22/2021 at 12:58 AM, BD57 said:

Seems the gripe about anything but "old school putting" always comes down to "appearance," a/k/a "it doesn't look right."

 

Funny thing . . . . the same folks don't agitate for outlawing graphite shafts, 460cc driver heads, perimeter weighting, etc. - or, for that matter, putter designs which maximize MOI.

 

None of which existed in the "good old days."

 

For the purists, why aren't you advocating for outlawing graphite shafts, driver heads no bigger than the old persimmons, and putters no more complicated than the old bullseye / 8802 / Billy Casper-type mallet?

 

If armlock was so much better, why'd Xander abandon it so quickly - especially after spouting off like he did that it should be banned because it's soooooooo superior?

 

"Oops" . . . I guess it wasn't "superior" for Xander . . . . 

 

armlock doesn't "lock" the club in place.  At most, it provides a tactile checkpoint / reminder to the player using it - "If you let your wrists break down, the grip will come off your forearm."

 

But that's all - armlock doesn't "keep the grip there," the player has to do that with his wrists.

 

No different than any other player whose putting method 'keys' on not letting the wrists break down.

From my perspective it's nothing to do with being a purist. It's simply that golf has taken a very strange approach to anchoring. Armlock is more than a "tactile checkpoint" the clues in the name , now I'm OK with that but if you are going to allow armlock then allow belly anchoring, etc. Maybe that would work for Xander, maybe not, but either you are going to insist on players controlling the putter with your hands or you aren't, otherwise it all becomes an arbitrary judgement on what should be allowed. They stick a limit on the maximum length of a driver, why not do so with a putter too and make it say 37 inches to suit tall guys and then you can putt however you want, job done.

[TiScape]

He also gets “arm lock” when the bill comes. 😂 

[Chip Out Sideways]

I was at Sandwich last Friday and noticed he was using that method then and commented on it to those I was with. Looked weird but he has been using that for at least a week now...

[BD57]

On 7/23/2021 at 1:22 PM, Pleasedwith3putts said:

From my perspective it's nothing to do with being a purist. It's simply that golf has taken a very strange approach to anchoring. Armlock is more than a "tactile checkpoint" the clues in the name , now I'm OK with that but if you are going to allow armlock then allow belly anchoring, etc. Maybe that would work for Xander, maybe not, but either you are going to insist on players controlling the putter with your hands or you aren't, otherwise it all becomes an arbitrary judgement on what should be allowed. They stick a limit on the maximum length of a driver, why not do so with a putter too and make it say 37 inches to suit tall guys and then you can putt however you want, job done.

Have you actually tried it?

 

I have and don't use now because it's not all sweetness & light.  As much as you take hands out of the stroke to "do it right," it can make distance control complicated.

 

And, ultimately, you DO control the putter with your hands.  If you don't, the shaft comes off the arm & all the same issues which come from the hands misbehaving are in play.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

12 hours ago, BD57 said:

Have you actually tried it?

 

I have and don't use now because it's not all sweetness & light.  As much as you take hands out of the stroke to "do it right," it can make distance control complicated.

 

And, ultimately, you DO control the putter with your hands.  If you don't, the shaft comes off the arm & all the same issues which come from the hands misbehaving are in play.

Stock response of not all sweetness and light applies to all  methods, most of the tour chose not to use any of the methods now banned which tells you something. I tried the armlock on the putting green at a demo day and with the right set up and grip you've got to be pretty poor to allow the wrists break down. Makes zero sense allowing it and not say belly putting, you aren't controlling the putter fully by placing a long grip with a flat side against the inside of your forearm (which is not flexible!), you can try to dress it up however you want.

 

 

[Bunkersarebigcups]

Man this is even LOOKING uncomfortable! Hope it helps his game but wow, it is looking weird

[willplaysgolf]

FWIW I believe he's been putting like this since at least the Dell Match Play