What Would a 10 Handicapper Shoot at TPC Sawgrass?

North TexasNorth Texas Members Posts: 4,120 ✭✭
edited May 11, 2018 in Tour Talk #1
Saw this on Golfweek.com



https://golfweek.com...-a-train-wreck/



I think the pros saying 120-150 are absolutely full of s***. I'm a 9 and I'm saying I'm breaking a 100 no ands, ifs, or buts about it. Even if I have had 3 margaritas tonight.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,374 ✭✭
    I think most of the responses were fair. 95-105 seems like a realistic guess for a 10 index. Its an extremely penal course.



    We all agreed that a scratch would break 85 at Augusta. So 95-105 for a 10 at sawgrass seems right
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  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members Posts: 2,997 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    I think most of the responses were fair. 95-105 seems like a realistic guess for a 10 index. Its an extremely penal course.



    We all agreed that a scratch would break 85 at Augusta. So 95-105 for a 10 at sawgrass seems right




    Is this sarcasm? There were a lot of people who didn't think an average scratch would break 85 at Augusta.



    I agree though that around 100 is a good guess for a 10 handicap on TPC.
  • Lou04380Lou04380 Members Posts: 157 ✭✭
    I've played sawgrass twice, I was around an 8 handicap both times, and played the back tees which are nowhere near what the pros play. First round I shot 44 on front, 40 on back. The rough was longer than the pros play according to our caddy, but the greens were about the same. Second round I played worse, I believe I shot a 90. I would say a 10 handicap has no trouble breaking 100 from the tees I played, pros tees would play much tougher especially for someone shorter off the tee.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,374 ✭✭

    MtlJeff wrote:


    I think most of the responses were fair. 95-105 seems like a realistic guess for a 10 index. Its an extremely penal course.



    We all agreed that a scratch would break 85 at Augusta. So 95-105 for a 10 at sawgrass seems right




    Is this sarcasm? There were a lot of people who didn't think an average scratch would break 85 at Augusta.



    I agree though that around 100 is a good guess for a 10 handicap on TPC.




    I think you are misremembering. I posted something like "oh they'd do it fo' shooooooo" and the next 10-15 pages were just guys giving me +1's

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  • mosesgolfmosesgolf Members Posts: 6,833 ✭✭
    I'd watch a made for TV event produced by TGC. "What would a scratch, 10, bogey player shoot?" Over under would be fun for this.
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  • mjen43mjen43 Members Posts: 940 ✭✭
    edited May 11, 2018 #7
    LOL that article seems like it created with the intent to get posted on here and generate thousands and thousands of clicks due to the 100% certainty that the question and answers would create a s***storm of the highest order, like these types of threads always do. Well played Eamon Lynch (we know you're reading) and Golfweek! Get that ad rev baby!
  • GautamaGautama Members Posts: 754 ✭✭
    I played it a couple times in the early 2000s and was just about a 10. I don't remember my exact score, but as recall I was kinda mid-90s the first day and felt pretty good about it, and had a terrible, I'm-gonna-stop-counting kind round the next day, hungover and angry all day. It's the kind of course that can just suck the life out of you when things start going bad.
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  • AMM315AMM315 Members Posts: 223 ✭✭
    Does the article mention tees the 10 would play? If they played appropriate tees for their handicap I don’t see why they wouldn’t break hundo.
  • iBanestoiBanesto Niclas Fasth Members Posts: 4,453 ✭✭
    edited May 12, 2018 #10
    A GolfWRX 10 handicapper?



    Probably 63 gross image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 6,147 ✭✭
    edited May 12, 2018 #11
    id say 100 because of the water and tourney tees. its not overly long off the tee but if you get on the wrong sides of holes a 10 is making doubles and triple playing ping pong. also how many 10s are good bunker players... yeah exactly
  • ezpzezpz Members Posts: 461 ✭✭
    I've seen 10s shoot 100 on easier courses than the TPC so I guess 100 would be a safe bet.
  • rgk5rgk5 rgk5(OLB) Members Posts: 3,575 ✭✭
    I'm and eight and shot 82 there five years ago. This, from the second back set of tees. Finished par, par, par.
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Members Posts: 5,465 ✭✭
    What tees?



    What sort of a 10 handicap?



    Rules compliance. Sadly this is where many peoples dreams and handicaps go to **** quickly either from a lack of knowledge or ego.



    What time of year?



    It could be done but it would be much easier to be north of 100.



  • iBanestoiBanesto Niclas Fasth Members Posts: 4,453 ✭✭
    Playing in front of thousands of spectators as well?



    If so, I can easily see 100+, even for a solid 10 handicapper. It is a completely different atmosphere than a Saturday comp.
  • ago33ago33 Members Posts: 2,155 ✭✭
    I’d be DQd on 17 for not having enough balls

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  • cdnglfcdnglf Members Posts: 3,191 ✭✭
    76.4/155 from the Players tees. Nasty course for a bogey golfer, but a legit 10 is going to easily break 100 most of the time.
  • isaacbmisaacbm Members Posts: 3,273 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    I think most of the responses were fair. 95-105 seems like a realistic guess for a 10 index. Its an extremely penal course.



    We all agreed that a scratch would break 85 at Augusta. So 95-105 for a 10 at sawgrass seems right




    Well, since we all agreed the tournament scratch couldn’t break 85 at Augusta, I’m assuming a non-tournament 10 wood shoot at least 120 at TPC Sawgrass. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



    Seriously though, there’s potential for a much much much worse score at sawgrass then Augusta. Slope is likely 10 harder...

    guys in the other thread were saying a scratch would shoot over 100 so a ten...? Maybe as high as 145? I would say more guys would run out of balls then break 90.
  • nitramnitram Take Dead Aim Members Posts: 5,177 ✭✭
    Sawgrass beats you up both mentally and on the scorecard. It can and will crush your confidence.



    If most 10's haven't quit or run out of balls by 16, those last three holes will make you seriously consider quitting the game.
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  • golfandfishinggolfandfishing Members Posts: 3,449 ✭✭
    A 10 handy playing in the tournament is going to post a million. A 10 playing the tournament tees with his buddies - not a big deal, breaks 90 most days.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,671 ClubWRX
    The one statement that got me was Leishman's. A scratch wouldn't break 95. I like him a lot, but c'mon.
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  • mark mmark m Members Posts: 2,483 ✭✭
    It depends on the player. I've played in a member-guest where a 10 CH guest shot gross 68. (Which did not go over well.)



    But here is an article from the May GD where the 7.9 HI guy plays 2 rounds - one from the 5000 yard forward tees and another from the 7250 players tees. He shot 82 on the forward and 111 on the back tees. It sounds like he putted good on the back tees. LOL



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    Over on surgerywrx.com the discussion is how would a a first year intern perform on a extended bifrontal craniotomy.



    Rich and compelling.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,671 ClubWRX
    DavePelz4 wrote:


    Over on surgerywrx.com the discussion is how would a a first year intern perform on a extended bifrontal craniotomy.



    Rich and compelling.




    I hope to be featured there some day as a cadaver!
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  • KBongKBong Members Posts: 1,211 ✭✭
    Is this round played by the 10 handicap with or without "MASH POTATOES" and/or "LIGHT THE CANDLE" being yelled in his/her back swing?
  • golfandfishinggolfandfishing Members Posts: 3,449 ✭✭
    ^^^^



    We’re saying it’s in the tournament- so full on mashed potatoes. Has to be included if we’re talking about authenticity at all.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,671 ClubWRX


    ^^^^



    We're saying it's in the tournament- so full on mashed potatoes. Has to be included if we're talking about authenticity at all.




    Hopefully our 10 has a volatile temper, and after mashed potatoe guy yells once too often during his swing he goes after him with his driver. Post round interview, 10 guy says "only thing I hit solid all day was his head"!
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  • lumberman2462lumberman2462 Members Posts: 5,332 ✭✭
    edited May 12, 2018 #28
    It is one [email protected]&# golf course. If a most 10s tried to actually play the course and hit drivers where needed and are

    going after the flags then I can see some huge numbers.



    If a 10 had a bet to break 100 then they could bump it around and hit irons off some tees in order to keep it play....essentially playing the par 4s for bogey. I can see that happening as well.



    There is trouble everywhere and the wind always seems to blow.



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  • youraway2youraway2 Just Old Sticks Members Posts: 1,402 ✭✭
    I played it, one tee box forward from the back, I was a 12 at the time and shot 84. The conditions were most likely worse than when they play the tournament. It was very wet, long rough (+4 inches Bermuda) and fairly fast greens. Mud shots everywhere especially near the aprons. I noticed and I haven't seen a lie this week in the rough where you can't find the ball. In addition, pine straw now covers all the normally bad areas. Wait till they move to March. Depending on the weather, it may be cold, windy and wet.
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  • golfer3xxxgolfer3xxx Members Posts: 12
    There are "suburban legends" of scratch golfers who played at Oakmont and shot 130.





    I've not played Sawgrass (though have on various video games), but it seems specifically for that course there are a whole lot of bunkers, waste areas, water, "no-man's land" areas, etc, that for any amateur golfer (but perhaps more so for a 10 than a scratch) could present an especial challenge.





    As golf is an individual sport, it would be interesting to have contests/sweepstakes each year at various events where a regular guy/gal can enter to play 1 round during the actual tournament. It would be unorthodox, but "spotters" have been known to play in read tour events if a lone single player doesn't want to play alone. I dunno, this might get old after a while but I'd actually find it incredibly interesting for a bit. For sure, some players might complain... but at least rounds 1 and 2 (or even 3 and 4) if the "regular person" went off in the first slot as a single (or last slot Rounds 1 or 2) or something to that effect, that could mitigate complaints.
  • dr_nervedr_nerve Members Posts: 18
    edited May 12, 2018 #31
    According to the USGA, assuming a perfect bell distribution of scores, a players average differential should be roughly 2 strokes higher than their handicap, meaning for a 10 handicapper, their average differential will be 12 (source: http://www.usga.org/handicapping/handicap-manual.html#!rule-14410). The slope and rating for the back tees at the Stadium course are 155 and 76.4. Solving for the gross score in the USGA handicap differential formula (Differential = (Gross Score - Rating) x 113 / Slope) yields a score of roughly 93. Under PGA Tournament conditions, the score could go up anywhere from 5-10+ strokes, meaning that 95-105 would be a fair estimate for what a 10 handicapper would shoot there on average.
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