Any new TM drivers in the works?

[Mookieb10]

> @JerryTBall said:

> I live and die by ping drivers, had all the new ones, swore never get rid of my 410. Well I had to retract that, got my M5 10.5 other day, and wow, if never hit yet, you got to. Lots of scratch golfers love the M6, but this is coming from a 8 hdcp, you can adjust that M5 so much more it’s crazy how I was able to dial it in. Set it up on range, played 9 yesterday, 18 today, hit every fairway, and good distance to match. I’m very pleased for now.

 

Damn man. I just can’t get my m5 dialed in. Maybe cause it’s an m5 tour even though I swear I asked the rep for a regular m5 at demo day in June. I’m gunna do a little shaft change to see if that works.

[TaylorMade Golf]

60 or so more sleeps...just get through Thanksgiving, Christmas and then you're nearly there. You're gonna like what we got for you in 2020.

[TheMoneyShot]

> @"TaylorMade Golf" said:

> 60 or so more sleeps...just get through Thanksgiving, Christmas and then you're nearly there. You're gonna like what we got for you in 2020.

 

Hopefully we see someone on tour with new goodies before that time?

[boggyman]

It’ll definitely have to be more Ballzier, Speedier, and produce AT LEAST 17 more yards, plus amazing to beat the Tour M5 or M6, both of which I really liked, still bagging the m6. Can’t wait till spring!! > @"TaylorMade Golf" said:

> 60 or so more sleeps...just get through Thanksgiving, Christmas and then you're nearly there. You're gonna like what we got for you in 2020.

 

 

[noodle3872]

> @"TaylorMade Golf" said:

> 60 or so more sleeps...just get through Thanksgiving, Christmas and then you're nearly there. You're gonna like what we got for you in 2020.

 

Patience is not one of my strengths! If the product release plan is the same as with the M5/M6, we should see the new drivers added to the USGA list the Monday (Dec 30, 2019) of the Tournament of Champions at Kapalua (Jan 2-5, 2020). Worst case, since the clubs should be on the list the following week for the first full field event, the Sony Open.

[SigmaKyle31987]

TM is doing a product photo shoot down at the Floridian in S. Fla. this week so maybe we get a possible leak or two?

[getitdaily]

> @SigmaKyle31987 said:

> TM is doing a product photo shoot down at the Floridian in S. Fla. this week so maybe we get a possible leak or two?

 

Don't count on it. The Floridian will likely be the spot where DJ, Tiger, Rahm, and Day do some photo stuff. Doubt Rory will be there since I think he's in Dubai.

[JerryTBall]

> @Mookieb10 said:

> > @JerryTBall said:

> > I live and die by ping drivers, had all the new ones, swore never get rid of my 410. Well I had to retract that, got my M5 10.5 other day, and wow, if never hit yet, you got to. Lots of scratch golfers love the M6, but this is coming from a 8 hdcp, you can adjust that M5 so much more it’s crazy how I was able to dial it in. Set it up on range, played 9 yesterday, 18 today, hit every fairway, and good distance to match. I’m very pleased for now.

>

> **** man. I just can’t get my m5 dialed in. Maybe cause it’s an m5 tour even though I swear I asked the rep for a regular m5 at demo day in June. I’m gunna do a little shaft change to see if that works.

 

Honestly I never knew there was a tour version but I’m guessing maybe no offset or less offset if that is part of it but I even got a Claymore regular flex shaft today and the guys and Continental Golf help me dial it in they said it should be pretty good for the winter time since it’s a little bit more flexible

[QuigleyDU]

I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

[mrmikeac]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

 

 

I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

[BCC1898]

> @mrmikeac said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

>

>

> I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

Uh oh, you’re gonna be in trouble!

 

[4rheel]

> @mrmikeac said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

>

>

> I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

 

SIM?

[QuigleyDU]

> @4rheel said:

> > @mrmikeac said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

> >

> >

> > I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

>

> SIM?

 

I have not heard any names or seen the driver in person. I just spoke with a TM rep and heard very good things, and heard that it a bit of a departure from what they have been doing. Whatever that means.

[mrmikeac]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @4rheel said:

> > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

> > >

> > >

> > > I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

> >

> > SIM?

>

> I have not heard any names or seen the driver in person. I just spoke with a TM rep and heard very good things, and heard that it a bit of a departure from what they have been doing. Whatever that means.

 

Right, SIM, which stands for speed in motion lol. I’m just trying to figure out what that would mean, knowing TM and their marketing I’m sure it’s a pretty straight forward tech story

[ignitewvu]

> @J13 said:

> > @ignitewvu said:

> > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @Rig14Port said:

> > > > > > @driveandputtmachine said:

> > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @wheelz said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Stock shafts I know for sure are Ventus Blue & Red (based on this Black should be $0 upcharge), HZRDUS Smoke, & a Diamana shaft assuming 4th gen series.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Watered down Ventus shaft?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Highly doubt Ventus will be stock. Either a watered down or possibly no upcharge. No upcharge just screams back ordered

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There’s no way a $350 shaft is a stock offering. A Tensei Pro shaft is a $250 upcharge via TM and is $360.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When companies buy shafts in bulk that price is a lot less and can be offered at the no upcharge price.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So how many $350 shafts does a company have to buy to bring the cost per shaft down to roughly $100 without lowering the material content quality?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry, its just not feasible IMHO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So the Ventus sells for 350 on golfworks and other places.

> > > > >

> > > > > It could very likely be a real deal shaft and they may be taking just above break even to get them in the hands of the mass market. My perception of Fuji is that they are a low cost OEM stock shaft manufacturer for secondary product lines (think M6). If they want to penetrate the high end market they need to get more high end products in the hands of high level golfers to start building their brand. I think they tried to do this with ATMOS but there wasn't enough tour adoption of the ATMOS line to attract buyers... Now that Ventus is in the hands of a couple familiar faces on tour it's time to strike.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Fuji is and has been high end for decades now. Lots of tour guys used the Atmos and tons used the Motore Speeders, even still today.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This is such a laughable post. Fujikura a low cost shaft manufacturer. Jesus man some of this stuff that comes out around here is ridiculous

> >

> > For some reason there is so MUCH HATE for Fujikura on this forum & I "Think" I know why.

> >

> > Right now their products are top notch way more innovative than what MC is doing & they are using MC materials!!!. In fact MC hasn't come out with anything seriously causing Buzz in 2+ seasons.

>

> Ventus is a good product but Fuji earned the bad rap. They are notorious for paint overs.

>

> As for Mitsubishi-

>

> "The 2018-2019 season marked a new high with 18 total season event driver shaft wins. Mitsubishi Chemical has taken the top spot for driver shaft wins in the last 14 of 15 years."

> "For 2019 season, Mitsubishi Chemical branded driver shafts including wins in Augusta, Georgia, Farmingdale, New York, and Northern Ireland."

 

You danced around my statement, Mitsu hasn't produced anything ground breaking in over 2 years.

Fubuki Line is DEAD, Kuro Kage line is Apparently DEAD, the Tensei AV is a major FLOP!!!

IDK about the Majors from Brooks & Tiger using a 4 year old shaft that isn't innovation!!!

I'm talking innovation....The PO was all hype and it went into & then out of almost every bag on tour.

[QuigleyDU]

> @ignitewvu said:

> > @J13 said:

> > > @ignitewvu said:

> > > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @Rig14Port said:

> > > > > > > @driveandputtmachine said:

> > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @wheelz said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock shafts I know for sure are Ventus Blue & Red (based on this Black should be $0 upcharge), HZRDUS Smoke, & a Diamana shaft assuming 4th gen series.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Watered down Ventus shaft?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Highly doubt Ventus will be stock. Either a watered down or possibly no upcharge. No upcharge just screams back ordered

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There’s no way a $350 shaft is a stock offering. A Tensei Pro shaft is a $250 upcharge via TM and is $360.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When companies buy shafts in bulk that price is a lot less and can be offered at the no upcharge price.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So how many $350 shafts does a company have to buy to bring the cost per shaft down to roughly $100 without lowering the material content quality?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry, its just not feasible IMHO.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So the Ventus sells for 350 on golfworks and other places.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It could very likely be a real deal shaft and they may be taking just above break even to get them in the hands of the mass market. My perception of Fuji is that they are a low cost OEM stock shaft manufacturer for secondary product lines (think M6). If they want to penetrate the high end market they need to get more high end products in the hands of high level golfers to start building their brand. I think they tried to do this with ATMOS but there wasn't enough tour adoption of the ATMOS line to attract buyers... Now that Ventus is in the hands of a couple familiar faces on tour it's time to strike.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Fuji is and has been high end for decades now. Lots of tour guys used the Atmos and tons used the Motore Speeders, even still today.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This is such a laughable post. Fujikura a low cost shaft manufacturer. Jesus man some of this stuff that comes out around here is ridiculous

> > >

> > > For some reason there is so MUCH HATE for Fujikura on this forum & I "Think" I know why.

> > >

> > > Right now their products are top notch way more innovative than what MC is doing & they are using MC materials!!!. In fact MC hasn't come out with anything seriously causing Buzz in 2+ seasons.

> >

> > Ventus is a good product but Fuji earned the bad rap. They are notorious for paint overs.

> >

> > As for Mitsubishi-

> >

> > "The 2018-2019 season marked a new high with 18 total season event driver shaft wins. Mitsubishi Chemical has taken the top spot for driver shaft wins in the last 14 of 15 years."

> > "For 2019 season, Mitsubishi Chemical branded driver shafts including wins in Augusta, Georgia, Farmingdale, New York, and Northern Ireland."

>

> You danced around my statement, Mitsu hasn't produced anything ground breaking in over 2 years.

> Fubuki Line is DEAD, Kuro Kage line is Apparently DEAD, the Tensei AV is a major FLOP!!!

> IDK about the Majors from Brooks & Tiger using a 4 year old shaft that isn't innovation!!!

> I'm talking innovation....The PO was all hype and it went into & then out of almost every bag on tour.

 

To me it seems that there are a lot of Ventus and project X hazrdus shafts in bags these days. Rory did just win with an order Kuro Kage shaft as well.

[swgolf12]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @ignitewvu said:

> > > @J13 said:

> > > > @ignitewvu said:

> > > > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > @Rig14Port said:

> > > > > > > > @driveandputtmachine said:

> > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @wheelz said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock shafts I know for sure are Ventus Blue & Red (based on this Black should be $0 upcharge), HZRDUS Smoke, & a Diamana shaft assuming 4th gen series.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Watered down Ventus shaft?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Highly doubt Ventus will be stock. Either a watered down or possibly no upcharge. No upcharge just screams back ordered

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There’s no way a $350 shaft is a stock offering. A Tensei Pro shaft is a $250 upcharge via TM and is $360.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When companies buy shafts in bulk that price is a lot less and can be offered at the no upcharge price.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So how many $350 shafts does a company have to buy to bring the cost per shaft down to roughly $100 without lowering the material content quality?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry, its just not feasible IMHO.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So the Ventus sells for 350 on golfworks and other places.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It could very likely be a real deal shaft and they may be taking just above break even to get them in the hands of the mass market. My perception of Fuji is that they are a low cost OEM stock shaft manufacturer for secondary product lines (think M6). If they want to penetrate the high end market they need to get more high end products in the hands of high level golfers to start building their brand. I think they tried to do this with ATMOS but there wasn't enough tour adoption of the ATMOS line to attract buyers... Now that Ventus is in the hands of a couple familiar faces on tour it's time to strike.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fuji is and has been high end for decades now. Lots of tour guys used the Atmos and tons used the Motore Speeders, even still today.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is such a laughable post. Fujikura a low cost shaft manufacturer. Jesus man some of this stuff that comes out around here is ridiculous

> > > >

> > > > For some reason there is so MUCH HATE for Fujikura on this forum & I "Think" I know why.

> > > >

> > > > Right now their products are top notch way more innovative than what MC is doing & they are using MC materials!!!. In fact MC hasn't come out with anything seriously causing Buzz in 2+ seasons.

> > >

> > > Ventus is a good product but Fuji earned the bad rap. They are notorious for paint overs.

> > >

> > > As for Mitsubishi-

> > >

> > > "The 2018-2019 season marked a new high with 18 total season event driver shaft wins. Mitsubishi Chemical has taken the top spot for driver shaft wins in the last 14 of 15 years."

> > > "For 2019 season, Mitsubishi Chemical branded driver shafts including wins in Augusta, Georgia, Farmingdale, New York, and Northern Ireland."

> >

> > You danced around my statement, Mitsu hasn't produced anything ground breaking in over 2 years.

> > Fubuki Line is DEAD, Kuro Kage line is Apparently DEAD, the Tensei AV is a major FLOP!!!

> > IDK about the Majors from Brooks & Tiger using a 4 year old shaft that isn't innovation!!!

> > I'm talking innovation....The PO was all hype and it went into & then out of almost every bag on tour.

>

> To me it seems that there are a lot of Ventus and project X hazrdus shafts in bags these days. Rory did just win with an order Kuro Kage shaft as well.

 

But the shaft Rory won with is the same he's been gaming for years. He's saying that none of their new stuff is anything earth shattering or ground breaking, which I kind of agree with. Tensei's are nice, PO was in just about everyones bag at one point but anyone can game ball speed when you heavily counterbalance a shaft and allow 5+ grams of head weight to be added.

 

Then again most of the good players don't like changing shafts. DJ's been in a Rombax type shaft forever, Rory similar with Kuro Kage, most of these really good drivers are good because they don't switch much.

[QuigleyDU]

> @swgolf12 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @ignitewvu said:

> > > > @J13 said:

> > > > > @ignitewvu said:

> > > > > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > @Rig14Port said:

> > > > > > > > > @driveandputtmachine said:

> > > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @wheelz said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock shafts I know for sure are Ventus Blue & Red (based on this Black should be $0 upcharge), HZRDUS Smoke, & a Diamana shaft assuming 4th gen series.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watered down Ventus shaft?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Highly doubt Ventus will be stock. Either a watered down or possibly no upcharge. No upcharge just screams back ordered

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There’s no way a $350 shaft is a stock offering. A Tensei Pro shaft is a $250 upcharge via TM and is $360.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When companies buy shafts in bulk that price is a lot less and can be offered at the no upcharge price.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So how many $350 shafts does a company have to buy to bring the cost per shaft down to roughly $100 without lowering the material content quality?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sorry, its just not feasible IMHO.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So the Ventus sells for 350 on golfworks and other places.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It could very likely be a real deal shaft and they may be taking just above break even to get them in the hands of the mass market. My perception of Fuji is that they are a low cost OEM stock shaft manufacturer for secondary product lines (think M6). If they want to penetrate the high end market they need to get more high end products in the hands of high level golfers to start building their brand. I think they tried to do this with ATMOS but there wasn't enough tour adoption of the ATMOS line to attract buyers... Now that Ventus is in the hands of a couple familiar faces on tour it's time to strike.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fuji is and has been high end for decades now. Lots of tour guys used the Atmos and tons used the Motore Speeders, even still today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is such a laughable post. Fujikura a low cost shaft manufacturer. Jesus man some of this stuff that comes out around here is ridiculous

> > > > >

> > > > > For some reason there is so MUCH HATE for Fujikura on this forum & I "Think" I know why.

> > > > >

> > > > > Right now their products are top notch way more innovative than what MC is doing & they are using MC materials!!!. In fact MC hasn't come out with anything seriously causing Buzz in 2+ seasons.

> > > >

> > > > Ventus is a good product but Fuji earned the bad rap. They are notorious for paint overs.

> > > >

> > > > As for Mitsubishi-

> > > >

> > > > "The 2018-2019 season marked a new high with 18 total season event driver shaft wins. Mitsubishi Chemical has taken the top spot for driver shaft wins in the last 14 of 15 years."

> > > > "For 2019 season, Mitsubishi Chemical branded driver shafts including wins in Augusta, Georgia, Farmingdale, New York, and Northern Ireland."

> > >

> > > You danced around my statement, Mitsu hasn't produced anything ground breaking in over 2 years.

> > > Fubuki Line is DEAD, Kuro Kage line is Apparently DEAD, the Tensei AV is a major FLOP!!!

> > > IDK about the Majors from Brooks & Tiger using a 4 year old shaft that isn't innovation!!!

> > > I'm talking innovation....The PO was all hype and it went into & then out of almost every bag on tour.

> >

> > To me it seems that there are a lot of Ventus and project X hazrdus shafts in bags these days. Rory did just win with an order Kuro Kage shaft as well.

>

> But the shaft Rory won with is the same he's been gaming for years. He's saying that none of their new stuff is anything earth shattering or ground breaking, which I kind of agree with. Tensei's are nice, PO was in just about everyones bag at one point but anyone can game ball speed when you heavily counterbalance a shaft and allow 5+ grams of head weight to be added.

>

> Then again most of the good players don't like changing shafts. DJ's been in a Rombax type shaft forever, Rory similar with Kuro Kage, most of these really good drivers are good because they don't switch much.

 

I understand that, but there are lots of people that are changing. Just because a shaft is a few years old does not mean that it is bad. Conversly, just because it is new does not mean it is all marketing gimmicks and hype either.

[TaylorMade Golf]

> @SigmaKyle31987 said:

> TM is doing a product photo shoot down at the Floridian in S. Fla. this week so maybe we get a possible leak or two?

 

Not gonna happen... B)

[mrmikeac]

> @"TaylorMade Golf" said:

> > @SigmaKyle31987 said:

> > TM is doing a product photo shoot down at the Floridian in S. Fla. this week so maybe we get a possible leak or two?

>

> Not gonna happen... B)

 

Well not with that attitude it won’t...

[4rheel]

> @mrmikeac said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @4rheel said:

> > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

> > >

> > > SIM?

> >

> > I have not heard any names or seen the driver in person. I just spoke with a TM rep and heard very good things, and heard that it a bit of a departure from what they have been doing. Whatever that means.

>

> Right, SIM, which stands for speed in motion lol. I’m just trying to figure out what that would mean, knowing TM and their marketing I’m sure it’s a pretty straight forward tech story

 

So that's the new line name then? SIM7 and SIM8?

[JonnyKrasnodar]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @4rheel said:

> > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > I have heard that the new TM offering is going to be a bit of a departure from what they have been doing since the M series started. That this will be their big tech leap year. We will see, but I hear good things.

> > >

> > >

> > > I’m just trying to decipher "speed in motion", like.......huh?

> >

> > SIM?

>

> I have not heard any names or seen the driver in person. I just spoke with a TM rep and heard very good things, and heard that it a bit of a departure from what they have been doing. Whatever that means.

 

A total guess but I reckon aesthetically it will be like the Titleist TS drivers and offensively red in terms of colour scheme.

[TheMotorCity]

Have a friend who worked for TaylorMade told me he's hearing, they may get away from the M line series. And the fairway woods are going to have the speed injection with twist face. He cant confirm just what he's hearing.

[SigmaKyle31987]

> @"TaylorMade Golf" said:

> > @SigmaKyle31987 said:

> > TM is doing a product photo shoot down at the Floridian in S. Fla. this week so maybe we get a possible leak or two?

>

> Not gonna happen... B)

 

I figured that but never hurts to ask ? Looking forward to seeing what TM has in store for us in 2020!

 

[TheMoneyShot]

> @"TaylorMade Golf" said:

> > @SigmaKyle31987 said:

> > TM is doing a product photo shoot down at the Floridian in S. Fla. this week so maybe we get a possible leak or two?

>

> Not gonna happen... B)

 

I hope your wrong. 60+ days is such a long time away...

[Valtiel]

> @ignitewvu said:

> > @J13 said:

> > > @ignitewvu said:

> > > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @Rig14Port said:

> > > > > > > @driveandputtmachine said:

> > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @wheelz said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock shafts I know for sure are Ventus Blue & Red (based on this Black should be $0 upcharge), HZRDUS Smoke, & a Diamana shaft assuming 4th gen series.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Watered down Ventus shaft?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Highly doubt Ventus will be stock. Either a watered down or possibly no upcharge. No upcharge just screams back ordered

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There’s no way a $350 shaft is a stock offering. A Tensei Pro shaft is a $250 upcharge via TM and is $360.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When companies buy shafts in bulk that price is a lot less and can be offered at the no upcharge price.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So how many $350 shafts does a company have to buy to bring the cost per shaft down to roughly $100 without lowering the material content quality?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry, its just not feasible IMHO.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So the Ventus sells for 350 on golfworks and other places.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It could very likely be a real deal shaft and they may be taking just above break even to get them in the hands of the mass market. My perception of Fuji is that they are a low cost OEM stock shaft manufacturer for secondary product lines (think M6). If they want to penetrate the high end market they need to get more high end products in the hands of high level golfers to start building their brand. I think they tried to do this with ATMOS but there wasn't enough tour adoption of the ATMOS line to attract buyers... Now that Ventus is in the hands of a couple familiar faces on tour it's time to strike.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Fuji is and has been high end for decades now. Lots of tour guys used the Atmos and tons used the Motore Speeders, even still today.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This is such a laughable post. Fujikura a low cost shaft manufacturer. Jesus man some of this stuff that comes out around here is ridiculous

> > >

> > > For some reason there is so MUCH HATE for Fujikura on this forum & I "Think" I know why.

> > >

> > > Right now their products are top notch way more innovative than what MC is doing & they are using MC materials!!!. In fact MC hasn't come out with anything seriously causing Buzz in 2+ seasons.

> >

> > Ventus is a good product but Fuji earned the bad rap. They are notorious for paint overs.

> >

> > As for Mitsubishi-

> >

> > "The 2018-2019 season marked a new high with 18 total season event driver shaft wins. Mitsubishi Chemical has taken the top spot for driver shaft wins in the last 14 of 15 years."

> > "For 2019 season, Mitsubishi Chemical branded driver shafts including wins in Augusta, Georgia, Farmingdale, New York, and Northern Ireland."

>

> You danced around my statement, Mitsu hasn't produced anything ground breaking in over 2 years.

> Fubuki Line is DEAD, Kuro Kage line is Apparently DEAD, the Tensei AV is a major FLOP!!!

> IDK about the Majors from Brooks & Tiger using a 4 year old shaft that isn't innovation!!!

> I'm talking innovation....The PO was all hype and it went into & then out of almost every bag on tour.

 

I'm not exactly sure how the AV line is a flop? They have not even released 3 of the 4 shafts that will likely be in it. Also there are Tensei shafts all over the tour, as well as the BF/DF/ZF making it in to tons of bags as well. The Pro Orange also stuck in tons of bags, just because Rory and Tiger gave it up doesn't mean it's a failure, it was probably one of their best sellers.

[agood3putt]

> @Valtiel said:

> > @ignitewvu said:

> > > @J13 said:

> > > > @ignitewvu said:

> > > > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > @Rig14Port said:

> > > > > > > > @driveandputtmachine said:

> > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @GoGoErky said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @noodle3872 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @mrmikeac said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @wheelz said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock shafts I know for sure are Ventus Blue & Red (based on this Black should be $0 upcharge), HZRDUS Smoke, & a Diamana shaft assuming 4th gen series.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Watered down Ventus shaft?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Highly doubt Ventus will be stock. Either a watered down or possibly no upcharge. No upcharge just screams back ordered

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There’s no way a $350 shaft is a stock offering. A Tensei Pro shaft is a $250 upcharge via TM and is $360.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When companies buy shafts in bulk that price is a lot less and can be offered at the no upcharge price.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So how many $350 shafts does a company have to buy to bring the cost per shaft down to roughly $100 without lowering the material content quality?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry, its just not feasible IMHO.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So the Ventus sells for 350 on golfworks and other places.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It could very likely be a real deal shaft and they may be taking just above break even to get them in the hands of the mass market. My perception of Fuji is that they are a low cost OEM stock shaft manufacturer for secondary product lines (think M6). If they want to penetrate the high end market they need to get more high end products in the hands of high level golfers to start building their brand. I think they tried to do this with ATMOS but there wasn't enough tour adoption of the ATMOS line to attract buyers... Now that Ventus is in the hands of a couple familiar faces on tour it's time to strike.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fuji is and has been high end for decades now. Lots of tour guys used the Atmos and tons used the Motore Speeders, even still today.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is such a laughable post. Fujikura a low cost shaft manufacturer. Jesus man some of this stuff that comes out around here is ridiculous

> > > >

> > > > For some reason there is so MUCH HATE for Fujikura on this forum & I "Think" I know why.

> > > >

> > > > Right now their products are top notch way more innovative than what MC is doing & they are using MC materials!!!. In fact MC hasn't come out with anything seriously causing Buzz in 2+ seasons.

> > >

> > > Ventus is a good product but Fuji earned the bad rap. They are notorious for paint overs.

> > >

> > > As for Mitsubishi-

> > >

> > > "The 2018-2019 season marked a new high with 18 total season event driver shaft wins. Mitsubishi Chemical has taken the top spot for driver shaft wins in the last 14 of 15 years."

> > > "For 2019 season, Mitsubishi Chemical branded driver shafts including wins in Augusta, Georgia, Farmingdale, New York, and Northern Ireland."

> >

> > You danced around my statement, Mitsu hasn't produced anything ground breaking in over 2 years.

> > Fubuki Line is DEAD, Kuro Kage line is Apparently DEAD, the Tensei AV is a major FLOP!!!

> > IDK about the Majors from Brooks & Tiger using a 4 year old shaft that isn't innovation!!!

> > I'm talking innovation....The PO was all hype and it went into & then out of almost every bag on tour.

>

> I'm not exactly sure how the AV line is a flop? They have not even released 3 of the 4 shafts that will likely be in it. Also there are Tensei shafts all over the tour, as well as the BF/DF/ZF making it in to tons of bags as well. The Pro Orange also stuck in tons of bags, just because Rory and Tiger gave it up doesn't mean it's a failure, it was probably one of their best sellers.

 

Agree with all the others here on the Mitsubishi line of shafts. They are top notch in materials, quality, performance and price. Kuro Kage is still used my Rory and JDay, Tensei AV has been used in shafts of tourney winners in the 2018/2019 season. Rory used the Tensei Pro White and so did Tiger in addition to the Pro Orange. Just becasue MCA didnt come out with new shafts in the last season that doesnt make them non-groundbreaking. All shaft manufacturers make great products whether its a "good shaft" or bad shaft is an interpretation of the user

[DFS PFD]

Doesn't the fact those guys are using 4+ year old shafts despite all of the "innovation" of other companies speak for itself? I view that as a positive not a negative, if something is good, then it's good.

[AtlantaGolf3]

SIMs: Maybe they are going to focus on aerodynamics this season.

[noodle3872]

> @"DFS PFD" said:

> Doesn't the fact those guys are using 4+ year old shafts despite all of the "innovation" of other companies speak for itself? I view that as a positive not a negative, if something is good, then it's good.

 

Exactly! Take the original Dynamic Gold as an example of a tried, tested and true example. It’s still top dog by a large margin despite other newer shafts entering the market.