Taylormade SIM 2.0

[getair23]

11 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

Friend of my cousin's brother knows a guy at his local club who says he overheard the pro and the rep talking...

You know Mitch Cumstein too?

[QuigleyDU]

13 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

I bet it's going to be a rough driver for those of us who prefer a bit more forward CoG...

 

I dunno. The Cobra rad moved weight both forward and backward to create a low spin high stability head. This could be similar.. 

[redwing91007]

Really intrigued by that adjustable hybrid. Just got rid of my M6 for a Gapr Lo and this might be the perfect middle ground. 

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

I dunno. The Cobra rad moved weight both forward and backward to create a low spin high stability head. This could be similar.. 

I meant in terms of feel and (get along with it) performance. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by getitdaily

[FOOTJOY16]

1 hour ago, getair23 said:

You know Mitch Cumstein too?

Ole Mitch.. the night putter..

[Valtiel]

2 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

I dunno. The Cobra rad moved weight both forward and backward to create a low spin high stability head. This could be similar.. 

That is kind of contradictory though, because in moving weight forward and backward, you effectively just end up in the middle. That is to say, you can't have both benefits at the same time, because one always negates the other. The only way you "have your cake and eat it too" is to go extremely low vertically to reduce spin and back on the z-axis to add stability. Moving weight forward to reduce spin (lowering MOI) will always reduce stability, and vice versa.

Edited January 4, 2021 by Valtiel

[QuigleyDU]

10 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

That is kind of contradictory though, because in moving weight forward and backward, you effectively just end up in the middle. That is to say, you can't have both benefits at the same time, because one always negates the other. The only way you "have your cake and eat it too" is to go extremely low vertically to reduce spin and back on the z-axis to add stability. Moving weight forward to reduce spin (lowering MOI) will always reduce stability, and vice versa.

Yeah I don’t know. I am far from a designer. Maybe it’s more a  mass placement deal rather than a weight distribution deal.. I am not smart enough to know these answers. Haha

[Valtiel]

16 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

Yeah I don’t know. I am far from a designer. Maybe it’s more a  mass placement deal rather than a weight distribution deal.. I am not smart enough to know these answers. Haha

Hah! No worries, I am far from a designer too, but what I do know is that all of this weight movement simply contributes to where the single point that is the head's center of gravity ends up. X-axis (heel/toe), Y-axis (up/down), and Z-axis (front/back). The X-axis relative to the center of the face will determine draw/fade bias via horizontal gear effects, the Y-axis relative to the center will govern backspin via vertical gear effects, and the Z-axis will determine how strong those effects are, which we interpret as stability. The classic SLDR was low spin due to due being forward CG (low stability) and lower CG. It also had a draw bias which was why so much noise was made about moving weight toe side as much as possible to counteract it. People hit bombs, but misses were severely punished as the low stability route to getting low spin is just that, unstable (strong gear effects on miss hits). Since then we have been slowly making our way towards the opposite end of the spectrum with high MOI/stability while trying to maintain low spin. Since we aren't getting the low spin from the exaggerated gear effects of a lower MOI driver like the SLDR, we're trying to get it from lower CG placement, which is inherently much more difficult to manufacture given what we have all collectively decided a driver head needs to look like aesthetically, and that is a shape that is hard to move weight low and back within. Hence carbon fiber, aluminum, lighter weight titanium, and whatever else won't explode under stress that can save weight to be concentrated down and back.    

[QuigleyDU]

7 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

Hah! No worries, I am far from a designer too, but what I do know is that all of this weight movement simply contributes to where the single point that is the head's center of gravity ends up. X-axis (heel/toe), Y-axis (up/down), and Z-axis (front/back). The X-axis relative to the center of the face will determine draw/fade bias via horizontal gear effects, the Y-axis relative to the center will govern backspin via vertical gear effects, and the Z-axis will determine how strong those effects are, which we interpret as stability. The classic SLDR was low spin due to due being forward CG (low stability) and lower CG. It also had a draw bias which was why so much noise was made about moving weight toe side as much as possible to counteract it. People hit bombs, but misses were severely punished as the low stability route to getting low spin is just that, unstable (strong gear effects on miss hits). Since then we have been slowly making our way towards the opposite end of the spectrum with high MOI/stability while trying to maintain low spin. Since we aren't getting the low spin from the exaggerated gear effects of a lower MOI driver like the SLDR, we're trying to get it from lower CG placement, which is inherently much more difficult to manufacture given what we have all collectively decided a driver head needs to look like aesthetically, and that is a shape that is hard to move weight low and back within. Hence carbon fiber, aluminum, lighter weight titanium, and whatever else won't explode under stress that can save weight to be concentrated down and back.    

All makes sense..

[COmedic]

Loved the SIM. Had golf ADD this year and moved too much equipment, including several SIM drivers. I’ve never had so many 300+ yard drives in my life, however a couple high “strong fade” days pushed me to look at other options. I’m back in my 2016 M2 but very excited to take the new SIM drivers for a spin. I’m confident one will end up in my bag this year and hopefully stick around!

[Valtiel]

6 hours ago, COmedic said:

Loved the SIM. Had golf ADD this year and moved too much equipment, including several SIM drivers. I’ve never had so many 300+ yard drives in my life, however a couple high “strong fade” days pushed me to look at other options. I’m back in my 2016 M2 but very excited to take the new SIM drivers for a spin. I’m confident one will end up in my bag this year and hopefully stick around!

 

That is interesting and makes sense since on paper, the SIM is basically a lower CG, shallower faced, fade biased 2016 M2 with Twist Face, probably why it's so popular. Pretty middle of the road in terms of stability though, and the M2 is actually slightly draw biased which fits the right miss concerns. 

[TaylorMade Golf]

Nothing like "ringing" in the new year with some new gear.

[4TheKing614]

9 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

Nothing like "ringing" in the new year with some new gear.

Stop teasing. 

[khege27]

Hi All,

 

Any idea what the drivers will retail for in US?

[BirdieBob]

....And there you go folks..... "Forged Aluminum"

[jll62]

1 hour ago, BirdieBob said:

....And there you go folks..... "Forged Aluminum"

 

Seems to make a ton of sense. Forged aluminum lightweight and strong, without the costs associated with titanium (both material and manufacturing process). If you're going full carbon sole, you likely need something you can machine to exact tolerances.

[GarretG]

On 10/22/2020 at 6:47 PM, Red4282 said:

I could be totally wrong but all those calling for deep faces, your asking for higher cog and higher spin. Thats why i think the shallow face of the sim works so well. Just my two cents.

Right on the money 💰 

[Red4282]

2 minutes ago, GarretG said:

Right on the money 💰 

Ive actually had a bit of a change of thought on that. What i have determined is a shallow face will be more consistent spin wise from bottom to top of face. A deep face will certainly provide low spin if struck high below the cg line, but will also be really spinny low in the face. What the SIM does is provide really good numbers off top and bottom, which is why i really like it.

[GarretG]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

Ive actually had a bit of a change of thought on that. What i have determined is a shallow face will be more consistent spin wise from bottom to top of face. A deep face will certainly provide low spin if struck high below the cg line, but will also be really spinny low in the face. What the SIM does is provide really good numbers off top and bottom, which is why i really like it.

Will be interesting to hear how the new aluminum forging possibly increases stability on misses..

[Red4282]

1 minute ago, GarretG said:

Will be interesting to hear how the new aluminum forging possibly increases stability on misses..

Haha, i dont mind the use of forged aluminum, but i doubt you will see any benefits from it, but to stamp it on there seems a bit... meh

[getitdaily]

4 hours ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

Nothing like "ringing" in the new year with some new gear.

Geordi laforge's "glasses"?

[noodle3872]

1 hour ago, GarretG said:

Will be interesting to hear how the new aluminum forging possibly increases stability on misses..

 

1 hour ago, Red4282 said:

Haha, i dont mind the use of forged aluminum, but i doubt you will see any benefits from it, but to stamp it on there seems a bit... meh

At best, the forged aluminum will add some (small) degree of perimeter weighting for stability. 

[Oaks]

Any word on stock shafts?

[Red4282]

12 minutes ago, noodle3872 said:

 

At best, the forged aluminum will add some (small) degree of perimeter weighting for stability. 

It may allow movement of a gram or two back, but that aluminum piece is already on the perimeter, but again, it has stamping like its some big deal.. aluminum has been used for years. And the forged vs cast vs milled.. are we seeing any tangible differences here?

[noodle3872]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

It may allow movement of a gram or two back, but that aluminum piece is already on the perimeter, but again, it has stamping like its some big deal.. aluminum has been used for years. And the forged vs cast vs milled.. are we seeing any tangible differences here?

My point was I agree with you; the aluminum will weigh more than just carbon pieces coming to a seam enhancing any perimeter weighting benefit. The fact that the metal is stamped can be considered “marketing” however knowing TM, it serves a purpose.

[geesecougar2]

Guessing the aluminum is a key lightweight part of the chassis to which the carbon plates are attached. The pitch being each part of the head is made of optimal materials to provide stability and durability etc. 

[Mookie91]

All this posting is killing me.  I’m torn between the SIM & SIM 2.  Currently gaming a SIM Max but just wanted to try something a bit more fade biased.  Soo nervous that they knocked the fade bias out of the new SIM 2. Ugh need to get some reviews out here 

[Valtiel]

4 hours ago, Red4282 said:

Ive actually had a bit of a change of thought on that. What i have determined is a shallow face will be more consistent spin wise from bottom to top of face. A deep face will certainly provide low spin if struck high below the cg line, but will also be really spinny low in the face. What the SIM does is provide really good numbers off top and bottom, which is why i really like it.

Exactly. Shallower faces will not only always be more consistent, but will bring the crown down lower, which lowers CG, and contribute to less mass up front just by virtue of being smaller, which helps move CG back. If the face is deeper on the SIM2 then I will easily be sticking with my regular SIM. 
 

4 hours ago, GarretG said:

Will be interesting to hear how the new aluminum forging possibly increases stability on misses..

 

3 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

 

At best, the forged aluminum will add some (small) degree of perimeter weighting for stability. 

I think it is the opposite actually, aluminum replacing what would have otherwise been titanium to save weight. If you look at the structure necessary to support the rear weight on the SIM, it is a bit chunky and likely does not need to be made out of titanium to serve its purpose. Making an insert that replaces the back portion of the driver made from a lighter material likely allows them to make the weight itself heavier, and forged aluminum appears to be stronger than regular cast aluminum without any weight difference. 
 

 

32 minutes ago, Mookie91 said:

All this posting is killing me.  I’m torn between the SIM & SIM 2.  Currently gaming a SIM Max but just wanted to try something a bit more fade biased.  Soo nervous that they knocked the fade bias out of the new SIM 2. Ugh need to get some reviews out here 

I highly recommend trying what many here have; modifying the standard SIM by dropping the weight of the front track weight (I dropped mine from 10g to 4g) and increasing the rear weight (I increased mine from 12g to 21g). This will match or exceed the forgiveness of the SIM Max while retaining (and actually slightly increasing) the fade bias of the SIM standard. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Valtiel

[TaylorMade Golf]

14 more sleeps...

 

Then we can start the "What's TaylorMade got new for 2022?" thread 🤪

[SwingBlues]

13 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

14 more sleeps...

 

Then we can start the "What's TaylorMade got new for 2022?" thread 🤪

 

Why? C'mon...it's "17 more yards" and "Loft up" 😜 ... isn't this the peanut butter sandwich at TM now?