How could anyone be a fan of Patrick Reed?

[Shawn Paul]

You’ll all be rooting for him during the Ryder cup; Captain America, don’t act like you won’t.  (Unless you’re not American of coarse).  

[braincramp52]

6 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I think if Brandel can assault players’ characters publicly and with no real opportunity for rebuttal he can handle being criticized on here. He was over the top on Saturday, made up another rules violation, and pretty much bulldozed Lerner. He’s done the same several times regarding Tiger whether rules or his famous he’ll never win again because of his “broken mind”, lol. He literally “made his bones” at GC starting in 2009 by being the loudest and harshest critic of Tiger in the golf world and accused Tiger of cheating more than once. And had to walk it back with a pretty public apology after going too far. 
 

I listened to GC at lunch today - it was all about no rules being violated and yep, walking back the little feeding frenzy from the weekend. Too little, too late but a very decided difference. 
 

GC hyped this for everything it could get out of it and only the Rory situation coming up led to some of those who had gone too far having to actually think about it.  
 

But, just like with Reed, I’d probably enjoy 18 holes with Brandel. 
 

 

 

I could play 18 with Reed but I'd rather get a root canal than spend 4 hours with BC.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

18 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

The problem I have with all of this is that the TV network and TGC controlled the narrative and are the ones who spun it out of control .  The Twitter storm that night, the coverage on TGC, the opening dialogue when they came on air and the continuous narrative throughout the telecast.  Finally the post game interview it was the question they most wanted to ask Reed after he won and everyone else in the field.   

 

Granted, they did show the entire scenario, they did show Rory's scenario, but then they just piled on Reed and gave Rory a 100% pass because Reed is their bogey man.  The entire thing was completely disgraceful.  I lost complete respect for these idiots.  Faldo, Chamblee, Nantz, Dottie.   Gannon didn't seem to pile on as much, but I may have dozed off and missed it.  It was a blatant smear campaign from my perspective.  

Don't look now but Golf.com is praising CBS sports for it's Reed coverage

https://golf.com/news/patrick-reed-controversy-cbs-broadcast-tone/

 

In other news, Nantz contract is coming up for negotiation and reportedly for millions more... Tony Romo type money!

https://larrybrownsports.com/media/cbs-preparing-for-jim-nantz-to-potentially-leave/572957

 

Maybe if they had fewer and less costly talking heads that incessantly babble we could have fewer commercials and more golf!

[miamistomp]

15 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

Well Brandel was one of the big instigators, and he works for TGC last time I checked.  His twitter feed didn't help things much, or in their opinion, they probably helped things quite a bit.  

 No body ever watched Brandel play- so who knows what he did ?

  Maybe the Shadow do ...

[Hawkeye77]

7 hours ago, Shawn Paul said:

You’ll all be rooting for him during the Ryder cup; Captain America, don’t act like you won’t.  (Unless you’re not American of coarse).  

I wanted Rory to dust him at Hazeltine.  

[ReidThompson]

8 hours ago, Shawn Paul said:

You’ll all be rooting for him during the Ryder cup; Captain America, don’t act like you won’t.  (Unless you’re not American of coarse).  

 

There is no way I will root for him in the Ryder Cup.  Its an exhibition, not a war.  

[OgeecheeMac1]

Golf.com praising CBS coverage of The Farmers because they went 11 minutes without showing any golf. Praised them for “exposing Reed’s rules violation”. I wish he’d file a slander suit against them all.

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Don't look now but Golf.com is praising CBS sports for it's Reed coverage

https://golf.com/news/patrick-reed-controversy-cbs-broadcast-tone/

 

In other news, Nantz contract is coming up for negotiation and reportedly for millions more... Tony Romo type money!

https://larrybrownsports.com/media/cbs-preparing-for-jim-nantz-to-potentially-leave/572957

 

Maybe if they had fewer and less costly talking heads that incessantly babble we could have fewer commercials and more golf!

That's pretty funny.  Praising CBS for showing 11 minutes to start the broadcast with no live golf.  Haha, what the author didn't realize was the only reason he thought that was great was because usually they are blabbering on about nothing and probably having 20 minutes of no live golf in the first 30 so it seemed like a win. So brave not showing live golf! Hope this doesn't embolden them - "Hello friends, I've got this little essay on something I think should be important to you from Butler Cabin before we join the coverage, should only take about 15 minutes!"

 

And the article, which I guess is some kind of review of the entire broadcast, ignores the fact that after the first 11 minutes it was like Chuckles the Clown's funeral without Mary Tyler Moore.

 

Read the quotes from those geniuses.  That's exactly what they said.  Only IBF said no rule was violated, but then a lame bit about only because it's Reed they were going through "this process now" like it was taking something out of them.  LOL, the only process they were going through was getting in jabs on Sunday and crying in their croissants because it was clear he hadn't violated a rule.  Didn't like the "look" even with actually calling an official (looking at you Dottie) and actually notifying his FC's (looking at you Frank and Faldo - but Rory's on the Policy Board, lololol - remember back in the days of yore when Bobby Clampett, looking at his notes trying to come up with something interesting to say about a player for whom there wasn't a lot interesting to say would say, "he's on the Tour Policy Board", okay Bobby probably knew it anyway and I love Bobby, but you get what I mean).  It all reduced to him picking up his ball which the rules expressly allow, and part of how you may need to proceed to determine if it is embedded, how it played out in dozens of other situations at the tournament (context you dopes), and how you might then decide to call over an official - but no, calling an official wasn't good enough and not a word stressing no rule was violated, which was the fact.

 

Okay, blah, blah, blah, but reading the article was a strange experience.  Recall . . . . it was Golf.com that demanded Brandel retract and rewrite his cheating allegations against Tiger and Brandel refused and [wave wand] he "agreed" he would no longer write for them any more (same with Golf Digest) -- he "agreed" because he went too far and they let him know they didn't need liability issues.  Then a week later . . . . . .  the very public and several minutes long full retraction with Rich Lerner serving as Oprah.  Brandel wanted to continue to be the biggest Tiger critic out there, that was his niche, went way too far and got stomped on. People just kind of forget about it I guess because it was almost 8 years ago, and he pretty much has had nothing but nice things to say about Tiger the past few years.  Hmmmmm.

 

I'm not a huge Tiger fan, never been a big Reed fan (kind of the opposite the last couple years) but I do expect people who claim to be journalists (Brandel does) to bother to know facts and present them accurately when making accusations, then let the chips fall where they fall and debates rage. He steered the conversation on Saturday without presenting the true context.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[Greg_B]

Interesting to listen to the Max Homa/Shane Bacon podcast yesterday. They were not face to face as Bacon was in Ct. and Homa was in Phoenix, so that may have led to the discussion going the way it did. In essence, Homa was completely clear that he watched the Reed video and saw nothing he did that was wrong or different from what everyone else on Tour does/would do in that situation, and made the point that it was typical social media mob behavior that led to the uproar. He did not see the CBS hatchet job of course since he was on the course. Bacon began by starting out (perhaps hopefully) with a tone like he expected his buddy Max to be all over Reed, and had to backpedal furiously when that did not occur. Listen to it for as long as you can stand:

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-53-at-homa-this-week/id1492360046?i=1000507464260

[Golfrnut]

We're just seeing exhibit number whatever it is why folks like Tiger never really liked the media aside from a few certain people.  I think he saw all this coming years before anyone else did to the extent it's gotten to now.  Brandel's even came out and said "Not my job to be their friend", except he keeps forgetting the fact that it is his job to report things accurately and not 'leave things out' when they don't suite the narrative you are building.  Popularity and money has long sense passed the need to report the story for what it is and not spinning it into something else that suites you.  And yet, somehow 'integrity' gets brought into the story by the very same people that are guilty of it.

[FakeClubPro]

8 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I think if Brandel can assault players’ characters publicly and with no real opportunity for rebuttal he can handle being criticized on here. He was over the top on Saturday, made up another rules violation, and pretty much bulldozed Lerner. He’s done the same several times regarding Tiger whether rules or his famous he’ll never win again because of his “broken mind”, lol. He literally “made his bones” at GC starting in 2009 by being the loudest and harshest critic of Tiger in the golf world and accused Tiger of cheating more than once. And had to walk it back with a pretty public apology after going too far. 
 

I listened to GC at lunch today - it was all about no rules being violated and yep, walking back the little feeding frenzy from the weekend. Too little, too late but a very decided difference. 
 

GC hyped this for everything it could get out of it and only the Rory situation coming up led to some of those who had gone too far having to actually think about it.  
 

But, just like with Reed, I’d probably enjoy 18 holes with Brandel. 
 

 

 

+100

Rory has a very big sponsor and GC does not want any problems with that sponsor.  So if they say bad things about Reed and the rules then they need to talk about Rory too. 

[FakeClubPro]

47 minutes ago, OgeecheeMac1 said:

Golf.com praising CBS coverage of The Farmers because they went 11 minutes without showing any golf. Praised them for “exposing Reed’s rules violation”. I wish he’d file a slander suit against them all.

Pathetic.   CBS and the media have no credibility and they spend more time showing ads and Jim Nantz stupid mug with his receding hairline then showing any golf.   At least Faldo played the game and he has aged a lot better than frat boy Nantz..   

[FakeClubPro]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Don't look now but Golf.com is praising CBS sports for it's Reed coverage

https://golf.com/news/patrick-reed-controversy-cbs-broadcast-tone/

 

In other news, Nantz contract is coming up for negotiation and reportedly for millions more... Tony Romo type money!

https://larrybrownsports.com/media/cbs-preparing-for-jim-nantz-to-potentially-leave/572957

 

Maybe if they had fewer and less costly talking heads that incessantly babble we could have fewer commercials and more golf!

They would be pretty stupid to pay Nantz big money.  Get Romo in the booth with Faldo or even bring Johnny Miller back.   Yeah Nantz is supposedly a color man but Johnny was a million times better than Nantz and Faldo.  I loved how Miller would say oh he is hitting a something cut and the avg Joe watching was like WTF?   CBS shows more commercials and BS than they show golf.   The Nantz fawning at Augusta is particularly sickening.

[The Aspidistra in the Hall]

Here is what Ben Alberstadt said about American Golfers on Sep 25th 2017 on Golfwrx quoting verbatim Arnold Palmer.

“For many, many years’ golfers have been establishing handicaps based upon scores achieved in recreational rounds of golf where the Rules of Golf have not been strictly followed.”

This was in support for legalising Callaway's ERC springface driver for use by amateurs 'who cheat, anyway'.

 

This being the case I cannot see for the life of me what you are all getting upset about. This is what you do to get your handicaps. This is waht Arnold himself said. No-one disputed this at the time and all the Americans I've met say, 'yeah, that's what we do'.

If your way of life or ingrained culture is to 'bend the Rules' casually on the golfcourse for handicap scores, like it doesn't matter why are you pillorying this guy for doing no worse?

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, ReidThompson said:

 

There is no way I will root for him in the Ryder Cup.  Its an exhibition, not a war.  

I don’t know. Competition is war in my opinion.   I prefer seves outlook on it. 

[Gsea]

1 hour ago, OgeecheeMac1 said:

Golf.com praising CBS coverage of The Farmers because they went 11 minutes without showing any golf. Praised them for “exposing Reed’s rules violation”. I wish he’d file a slander suit against them all.

Slander suit lmao.

[The Aspidistra in the Hall]

Bottom line is controversy sells so the media is milking it for all it's worth and stoking the social media mob in the process. No such thing as bad publicity as long as they spell Reid's name right.

[Ghostwedge]

I'm still on the "information dirt road" when it comes to tech saavy and I rarely worry about punctuation, etc.....

But it's REED and course, not coarse. ☺

[Greg_B]

1 hour ago, FakeClubPro said:

They would be pretty stupid to pay Nantz big money.  Get Romo in the booth with Faldo or even bring Johnny Miller back.   Yeah Nantz is supposedly a color man but Johnny was a million times better than Nantz and Faldo.  I loved how Miller would say oh he is hitting a something cut and the avg Joe watching was like WTF?   CBS shows more commercials and BS than they show golf.   The Nantz fawning at Augusta is particularly sickening.

 

You are about as accurate here as many of the supposed rules experts on here. Nantz is not a "color man" and never has been. He is a host, an anchor in the main booth, not an analyst. That is Faldo's job. Comparing him to Miller is simply "pretty stupid", to use your phrase. And getting Romo to replace him? I have found myself hoping that CBS would replace Romo on NFL telecasts more and more this season, as he increasingly acts like a high-school fan with his "golly gee-whiz!" comments in overheated, excited tones. He actually seems to have regressed from his first year or two in the role now that he is feeling more comfortable and has his big contract. He could really use some coaching.

 

The worst thing I can say about Nantz is that his reaction to this past weekend's rules brouhaha was very much out of character for him and damaged my opinion of him. It was really the first time I have seen him make such a misstep. Part of that careful approach he usually takes explains what you see at Augusta,, where the ANGC demands it of their broadcast partners. You don't see the usual smartass SVP display that part of his persona there either, do you? And have you ever heard about Gary McCord and Jack Whitaker being told not to bother coming back next year? It has nothing to do with the broadcaster and everything to do with how ANGC wants the telecast to be done. It would be no different regardless of the network or the people calling it.

[Dpavs]

2 minutes ago, Ghostwedge said:

I'm still on the "information dirt road" when it comes to tech saavy and I rarely worry about punctuation, etc.....

But it's REED and course, not coarse. ☺

 

Course not coarse? No sir, not the way I play golf! 🤣

[The Aspidistra in the Hall]

7 minutes ago, Ghostwedge said:

I'm still on the "information dirt road" when it comes to tech saavy and I rarely worry about punctuation, etc.....

But it's REED and course, not coarse. ☺

Gotcha! Bit too subtle I guess, it has to be SPELLED out. lmao

[MUNIGRIT]

2 hours ago, FakeClubPro said:

They would be pretty stupid to pay Nantz big money.  Get Romo in the booth with Faldo or even bring Johnny Miller back.   Yeah Nantz is supposedly a color man but Johnny was a million times better than Nantz and Faldo.  I loved how Miller would say oh he is hitting a something cut and the avg Joe watching was like WTF?   CBS shows more commercials and BS than they show golf.   The Nantz fawning at Augusta is particularly sickening.

When I hear people whining about commercials and CBS plays too many, I quit listening because they removed all credibility about their narrative.

[Brass_Bullseye]

23 minutes ago, MUNIGRIT said:

When I hear people whining about commercials and CBS plays too many, I quit listening because they removed all credibility about their narrative.

Go on...

[Ferguson]

2 hours ago, Gsea said:

Slander suit lmao.

 

Welcome WRX attorneys!

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

2 hours ago, FakeClubPro said:

+100

Rory has a very big sponsor and GC does not want any problems with that sponsor.  So if they say bad things about Reed and the rules then they need to talk about Rory too. 

I agree, except I don't think either violated anything, and you may be saying that as well, and certainly ok to have a different opinion!

[BlackDiamondPar5]

1 hour ago, Greg_B said:

 

You are about as accurate here as many of the supposed rules experts on here. Nantz is not a "color man" and never has been. He is a host, an anchor in the main booth, not an analyst. That is Faldo's job. Comparing him to Miller is simply "pretty stupid", to use your phrase. And getting Romo to replace him? I have found myself hoping that CBS would replace Romo on NFL telecasts more and more this season, as he increasingly acts like a high-school fan with his "golly gee-whiz!" comments in overheated, excited tones. He actually seems to have regressed from his first year or two in the role now that he is feeling more comfortable and has his big contract. He could really use some coaching.

 

The worst thing I can say about Nantz is that his reaction to this past weekend's rules brouhaha was very much out of character for him and damaged my opinion of him. It was really the first time I have seen him make such a misstep. Part of that careful approach he usually takes explains what you see at Augusta,, where the ANGC demands it of their broadcast partners. You don't see the usual smartass SVP display that part of his persona there either, do you? And have you ever heard about Gary McCord and Jack Whitaker being told not to bother coming back next year? It has nothing to do with the broadcaster and everything to do with how ANGC wants the telecast to be done. It would be no different regardless of the network or the people calling it.

 

I haven't made the same observation about Romo but I'll be honest unless it's the Bills or I have money on it or Superbowl I don't watch football, so I'm not the best observer of the broadcast crew.  🙂 

 

Anyway yeah so I like your assessment of Nantz--- He's very polished and some don't like that--- polish is why he's liked by AGNC.  With that said I was looking around on YouTube and I could only find a Sunday video of  Nantz talking to the new cbs rules official and saw nothing bad from Nantz.  I've seen a lot of critical commentary here about Nantz bashing Reed but didn't see any of that on YouTube.  Was it Saturday?

 

Also found a video of Amanda and Todd Lewis interview Reed and I didn't see anything untoward from either.  Good clean interviews giving Reed a chance to explain the scenario which is pretty normal.

 

Anyway would appreciate links if anyone has video of CBS bashing Reed.

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

2 hours ago, Gsea said:

Slander suit lmao.

Are you an attorney or did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? 🙂

 

[Shawn Paul]

4 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I wanted Rory to dust him at Hazeltine.  

 

How'd that work out?  😉

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, Greg_B said:

 

You are about as accurate here as many of the supposed rules experts on here. Nantz is not a "color man" and never has been. He is a host, an anchor in the main booth, not an analyst. That is Faldo's job. Comparing him to Miller is simply "pretty stupid", to use your phrase. And getting Romo to replace him? I have found myself hoping that CBS would replace Romo on NFL telecasts more and more this season, as he increasingly acts like a high-school fan with his "golly gee-whiz!" comments in overheated, excited tones. He actually seems to have regressed from his first year or two in the role now that he is feeling more comfortable and has his big contract. He could really use some coaching.

 

The worst thing I can say about Nantz is that his reaction to this past weekend's rules brouhaha was very much out of character for him and damaged my opinion of him. It was really the first time I have seen him make such a misstep. Part of that careful approach he usually takes explains what you see at Augusta,, where the ANGC demands it of their broadcast partners. You don't see the usual smartass SVP display that part of his persona there either, do you? And have you ever heard about Gary McCord and Jack Whitaker being told not to bother coming back next year? It has nothing to do with the broadcaster and everything to do with how ANGC wants the telecast to be done. It would be no different regardless of the network or the people calling it.

Nantz and CBS literally walked on eggshells during the Tiger situation on 15 in '13 and got criticized for that by some, IMO quite a contrast to this situation and for sure, lots of reasons explaining that.  Golf Channel seems to always pour gasoline on any fire they can and spend days on the same issues on MD (in the past) and Golf Central.  Yawn, they aren't real journalists on the ground in a war zone, or a political convention, but have to get everybody's take, lol.

[Hawkeye77]

9 minutes ago, Shawn Paul said:

 

How'd that work out?  😉

I watched every bit of it they broadcast!  Some guys are match play killers and some guys are match play victims. Still can't fathom why Tiger overall is such a match play dead fish (not trying to start the usual analysis or excuses, just a fact).  Rory absolutely took the wrong approach early, but hard to criticize since I'm sure he was trying to send a message through the crowd.  It was fun to watch.