Ping Blueprint Forged S

[ALIF]

2 hours ago, TiScape said:

Since we talking about it. What’s the actual purpose? I’ve heard everything from it helps “center the weighting”, Bryson (and others) say it helps the club move through the ruff and others say it’s to make loft/lie adjustments easier. Weird how there is like 3 different answers from what seem like reputable sources??? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Makes the loft and lie adjustments of a cast iron much easier.

[TiScape]

Just now, ALIF said:

I prefer no ferrules with a notch.

OG baby!

[TiScape]

5 minutes ago, ALIF said:

Makes the loft and lie adjustments of a cast iron much easier.

So would it also then require more loft/lie checking and adjusting if one practices a lot, especially off mats? Also makes me wonder how every other company manages to do their cast iron adjustments? And 💯 not being a wise guy here. Genuinely wondering.

Edited October 17, 2023 by TiScape

[Kenny Lee Puckett]

[Kenny Lee Puckett]

55 minutes ago, TiScape said:

So would it also then require more loft/lie checking and adjusting if one practices a lot, especially off mats? Also makes me wonder how every other company manages to do their cast iron adjustments? And 💯 not being a wise guy here. Genuinely wondering.

makes PING lie and loft adjustments at the factory easier. that little notch on the back of every iron precisely/instantaneously indexes in the little vise you see pictured so the builder has is it the right spot to work on. the iron head then gets the hammer and bending bar for lie & loft. it's mass production efficiency.

 

you're probably not bending 17-4 cast irons hitting practice balls. mild carbon steel forged irons you might.

[pjc]

4 hours ago, TiScape said:

Since we talking about it. What’s the actual purpose? I’ve heard everything from it helps “center the weighting”, Bryson (and others) say it helps the club move through the ruff and others say it’s to make loft/lie adjustments easier. Weird how there is like 3 different answers from what seem like reputable sources??? 🤷🏼‍♂️

As stated above, I have been told that is a proprietary thing (obviously) to Ping because of the specific machine that they only use to bend irons.  Some have said that even on their 431 SS which is a pretty soft metal, it is very hard to bend (on a Mitchell machine) because of the Ping neck or hosel is different.  They always want to send them back to Ping for bending because they are afraid of breaking them, unless it is 1 degree or less.  This has been my experience, but some of the Ping experts have already chimed in, and they may know better.

[poppman2142]

On 10/16/2023 at 3:00 PM, BCC1898 said:

What's "ultra expensive"?

$212.50 per club is retail. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by poppman2142

[goje22]

On 10/17/2023 at 2:29 PM, pjc said:

As stated above, I have been told that is a proprietary thing (obviously) to Ping because of the specific machine that they only use to bend irons.  Some have said that even on their 431 SS which is a pretty soft metal, it is very hard to bend (on a Mitchell machine) because of the Ping neck or hosel is different.  They always want to send them back to Ping for bending because they are afraid of breaking them, unless it is 1 degree or less.  This has been my experience, but some of the Ping experts have already chimed in, and they may know better.

431 isn’t a soft metal, it’s just a softer variant of stainless steel.  Theres a reason iBlades or i210 grooves wear significantly slower than a mizuno forging; stainless is a far superior material for durability than any type of nickel plated carbon steel.
 

Resistance to changing positions is a part of that material durability which has to be worked around in unconventional ways. 
 

As shown in pictures, PING uses vision-based AOI to measure loft/lie off the bottom groove of the club & “shock” the club into position since hand force is. Mitchell machines are not ideal and usually

put marks/impressions on the finish of ping clubs. 

[Honman]

Just to add to this, I was under the impression that it gave them the ability to bend further up and down than a cast iron without the notch. 

 

If I remember correctly it also used to be marketed as less likely to be grabbed by long grass in thick rough than a traditional hosel design. 

[goje22]

31 minutes ago, Honman said:

Just to add to this, I was under the impression that it gave them the ability to bend further up and down than a cast iron without the notch. 

 

If I remember correctly it also used to be marketed as less likely to be grabbed by long grass in thick rough than a traditional hosel design. 

I suppose anything with less (easily exposed) surfaces will have less friction. Not sure the reduction in forces applied [to the hosel] would deviate enough to change a shot (or more accurately, a mishit)
 

Even as a huge ping fan, I’d have to see a lot of data to back this one up as a true benefit. I did see Bryson endorse this on YT but also not a really data driven endorsement. 

[Honman]

1 hour ago, goje22 said:

I suppose anything with less (easily exposed) surfaces will have less friction. Not sure the reduction in forces applied [to the hosel] would deviate enough to change a shot (or more accurately, a mishit)
 

Even as a huge ping fan, I’d have to see a lot of data to back this one up as a true benefit. I did see Bryson endorse this on YT but also not a really data driven endorsement. 

Why I used the word marketed. 

[goje22]

1 hour ago, Honman said:

Why I used the word marketed. 

Sorry my point was I actually don’t think they have ever “marketed” that feature as a performance benefit to help sell clubs from the company itself. At least from my knowledge, and I’d guess because its hard to validate (if even possible) the difference. I have heard rumors of course.
 

Ping usually doesn’t go light on the engineering details for new clubs on websites, in magazines, etc too. 

[jdubya13]

3 hours ago, goje22 said:

Sorry my point was I actually don’t think they have ever “marketed” that feature as a performance benefit to help sell clubs from the company itself. At least from my knowledge, and I’d guess because its hard to validate (if even possible) the difference. I have heard rumors of course.
 

Ping usually doesn’t go light on the engineering details for new clubs on websites, in magazines, etc too. 

 

… and I wouldn’t take Bryson’s word… on anything

[karstens_ghost]

14 hours ago, jdubya13 said:

 

… and I wouldn’t take Bryson’s word… on anything

10,000%

[TiScape]

I’d tend to believe the notch is there for the adjustability factor mentioned above and that some marketing guy was like, yeah and it also reduces drag in the rough 😉

[NoCalHack]

On 10/17/2023 at 5:29 PM, pjc said:

As stated above, I have been told that is a proprietary thing (obviously) to Ping because of the specific machine that they only use to bend irons.  Some have said that even on their 431 SS which is a pretty soft metal, it is very hard to bend (on a Mitchell machine) because of the Ping neck or hosel is different.  They always want to send them back to Ping for bending because they are afraid of breaking them, unless it is 1 degree or less.  This has been my experience, but some of the Ping experts have already chimed in, and they may know better.

 

I’ve owned many sets of pings since the eye2. Currently have the i230s. I have bent many sets of Pings on my friends Mitchell machine. I recently gave away my i210 green dots and moved them to 2 degrees flat. No problem at all. Never had any issues. The i210 and i230 move real easy. Almost like a forged club. So do the glide wedges. 
 

The only club that gave me trouble was the the prior generation crossovers. They were a real pain in the a**. 

[karstens_ghost]

15 minutes ago, NoCalHack said:

The only club that gave me trouble was the the prior generation crossovers. They were a real pain in the a**. 

 

Maybe that's why they went adjustable. 🙂

[03trdblack]

On 7/14/2023 at 3:53 PM, TheMoneyShot said:

Wonder what the “S” stands for?

 

This was recently confirmed on the Ping Proving Grounds podcast with Taylor Moore as the guest. He plays the S55 irons still and Marty Jertson stated:

 

"Our Blueprint S is kind of that marriage of the "S" from the S55 with the Blueprint and getting some of those sole design properties of the S55." 

 

They wanted to design an iron that would get all the S55 iron holdouts into the newer equipment. 

 

 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Saw the new Blueprint S iron in hand today, and also confirmed 100% that the notch is strictly for bending the iron, nothing else.

 

Ping fans are going to swallow this iron up, regardless of price - definitely S55 vibes but the leading edge work looked so good. 
 

Microslots in the 3-5 iron and a bit more offset vs the mid and short irons. 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

16 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Saw the new Blueprint S iron in hand today, and also confirmed 100% that the notch is strictly for bending the iron, nothing else.

 

Ping fans are going to swallow this iron up, regardless of price - definitely S55 vibes but the leading edge work looked so good. 
 

Microslots in the 3-5 iron and a bit more offset vs the mid and short irons. 

I heard Marty Jertson on the Ping Proving Grounds POD this week with Taylor Moore who is still playing S55 and Marty said the Blueprint S is going to be so close to that model he givew Moore only a matte of time before he switches!

[Carolina Golfer 2]

19 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

 

This was recently confirmed on the Ping Proving Grounds podcast with Taylor Moore as the guest. He plays the S55 irons still and Marty Jertson stated:

 

"Our Blueprint S is kind of that marriage of the "S" from the S55 with the Blueprint and getting some of those sole design properties of the S55." 

 

They wanted to design an iron that would get all the S55 iron holdouts into the newer equipment. 

 

 

Ooops!! Sorry didn't read your post before posting basically the same thing.  

[Pens #1 fan]

30 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Saw the new Blueprint S iron in hand today, and also confirmed 100% that the notch is strictly for bending the iron, nothing else.

 

Ping fans are going to swallow this iron up, regardless of price - definitely S55 vibes but the leading edge work looked so good. 
 

Microslots in the 3-5 iron and a bit more offset vs the mid and short irons. 

Was it a rep who had it? 

[animalgolfs]

17 hours ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Saw the new Blueprint S iron in hand today, and also confirmed 100% that the notch is strictly for bending the iron, nothing else.

 

Ping fans are going to swallow this iron up, regardless of price - definitely S55 vibes but the leading edge work looked so good. 
 

Microslots in the 3-5 iron and a bit more offset vs the mid and short irons. 

I might have seen a set....in another cart - sitting by the 12th and we were teeing on 1. Definitely looked the part - THAT player's swing looked the part.....

Edited October 21, 2023 by animalgolfs
Spelling - grammar - podunk type things

[Shilgy]

On 10/18/2023 at 12:42 PM, poppman2142 said:

$212.50 per club is retail. 

Some guys laughing clearly haven’t paid attention to the market.  Titleist T series is $200 per iron before shaft upgrades.

[Kenny Lee Puckett]

On 10/19/2023 at 6:38 PM, 03trdblack said:

 

This was recently confirmed on the Ping Proving Grounds podcast with Taylor Moore as the guest. He plays the S55 irons still and Marty Jertson stated:

 

"Our Blueprint S is kind of that marriage of the "S" from the S55 with the Blueprint and getting some of those sole design properties of the S55." 

 

They wanted to design an iron that would get all the S55 iron holdouts into the newer equipment. 

 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Kenny Lee Puckett

[TheGolfingRealtor]

On 10/21/2023 at 10:54 AM, Kenny Lee Puckett said:

 

Fair/safe to say the tech will make these more forgiving than the Pro 241?

[Kenny Lee Puckett]

7 minutes ago, TheGolfingRealtor said:

Fair/safe to say the tech will make these more forgiving than the Pro 241?

...my friend any smidgen of tech will make an iron more forgiving than a Mizuno Pro 241.

 

 

[TheGolfingRealtor]

2 minutes ago, Kenny Lee Puckett said:

...my friend any smidgen of tech will make an iron more forgiving than a Mizuno Pro 241.

 

 

I figured PING will somehow make these slightly more forgiving! Even the T version. 

[youngwaldo]

They look better in person. Enjoy.  
 

Wk

[iNeedMoreGolf]

What's the specs on the s model?