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1 minute ago, RacineBoxer said:

 

You might actually perform better with a more forward COG. I tend to. 

 

That said, the engineer in me is trying to understand why. 

 

This is something I’ve found as well, and I’m trying to understand it, too. I hit the G430 LST more consistently, in terms of center-face contact and start line, than the G430 Max. Same is true of the TSR3 vs. the TSR2. 

 

I’d like to figure it out, because I definitely want to play the more forgiving heads! But part of “forgiveness” I guess is club design that you hit more consistently. 
 

This, for what it’s worth, is also something I’ve noticed with fairway woods. (My Ping G430 Max seems to be an exception to the rule, for whatever reason, though I haven’t hit the G430 LST 3W.) I used the Stealth 2 Plus 3W with the big sliding weight to test this out. I hit it much better with the weight forward than with the weight back. Wish I understood why!

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Driver: Ping G430 Max 10K 9* | Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 6X

3W: Ping G430 Max @14* | Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 70X

7W: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Max 21* | Project X Denali Blue 80TX

Hybrids: Ping G430 5H @25*, 6H @29 | Tour 2.0 Chrome 85S

Irons: Ping i230 6-UW | Fujikura AXIOM 105X

Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 54/12W@55/13W, 60/12X | Nippon Modus 125 Wedge

Putter: Bettinardi 2024 BB1 Wide 

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9 minutes ago, eric61 said:

 

This is something I’ve found as well, and I’m trying to understand it, too. I hit the G430 LST more consistently, in terms of center-face contact and start line, than the G430 Max. Same is true of the TSR3 vs. the TSR2. 

 

I’d like to figure it out, because I definitely want to play the more forgiving heads! But part of “forgiveness” I guess is club design that you hit more consistently. 
 

This, for what it’s worth, is also something I’ve noticed with fairway woods. (My Ping G430 Max seems to be an exception to the rule, for whatever reason, though I haven’t hit the G430 LST 3W.) I used the Stealth 2 Plus 3W with the big sliding weight to test this out. I hit it much better with the weight forward than with the weight back. Wish I understood why!

 

 

Mark Crossfield isn't a scientist and has probably gotten a ton wrong over the years but I've heard him say a times that the most forgiving driver is the one you hit the center of the face with the most often. Sounds dumb but its true! 

 

Last year I got fitted for a PXG Gen 5 driver. I bought a weight kit because I like to dabble and mess around. I put an extra heavy weight in the back (more forgiveness- yay!!!) with some lighter ones up front to keep the overall weight the same... it was unbelievable how much it impacted my delivery & ball flight. I'm talking.... easily 30-40 yards loss of distance because I was hitting moon balls with probably 4000 spin (testing on course, not in front of a track man, fortunately or unfortunately). I think front/rear COG matters a lot. 

 

That said, I think we can all learn to play with the opposite of what we're use to, it just takes practice and intention. 

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1 hour ago, zeke66 said:

I think Adam Scott using this now 

 

Yes he was gaming some form of the G430 driver in his practice round for the Aussie PGA today.  He previously tested the LST earlier this year during a practice round at Riviera.

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Titleist 913F 15 (Mitsubishi Diamana S+ 70)

Titleist 712U 2I (True Temper Dynamic Gold S300)

Titleist 680 MB 4-W (True Temper Dynamic Gold S300)

Titleist Vokey SM5 50,54,58 (True Temper Dynamic Gold S200)

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13 hours ago, eric61 said:

 

This is something I’ve found as well, and I’m trying to understand it, too. I hit the G430 LST more consistently, in terms of center-face contact and start line, than the G430 Max. Same is true of the TSR3 vs. the TSR2. 

 

I’d like to figure it out, because I definitely want to play the more forgiving heads! But part of “forgiveness” I guess is club design that you hit more consistently. 
 

This, for what it’s worth, is also something I’ve noticed with fairway woods. (My Ping G430 Max seems to be an exception to the rule, for whatever reason, though I haven’t hit the G430 LST 3W.) I used the Stealth 2 Plus 3W with the big sliding weight to test this out. I hit it much better with the weight forward than with the weight back. Wish I understood why!

A couple things it could be Eric. Some guys can “track” or feel cg more than others. Both front/back and heel/toe.  Some guys also do better with clubs that are shorter or longer from heel to toe. From playing with you, you have a good amount of face rotation and you’re better with you club that is easier to square to not hit the left shot. In other words, a club that’s shorter heel to toe maybe be easier to rotate the face. A club that’s longer heel to toe, is harder to square. Which as you know, I prefer clubs that are longer from heel to toe for me because I fight a hook side miss and a longer blade tends to resist rotating as fast. One thing is for sure, we are all sensitive to what works and what doesn’t. Sometimes I think I’m better off not knowing the why, and just trusting what I see the ball do. 

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Ping G425 3wd @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg 
Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
Ping G425 22 hybrid @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue HB 6 reg
PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

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21 hours ago, RacineBoxer said:

Mark Crossfield isn't a scientist and has probably gotten a ton wrong over the years but I've heard him say a times that the most forgiving driver is the one you hit the center of the face with the most often. Sounds dumb but its true!

 

Actually, a lot of fitters/pros/good players talk about this. And I agree! The highest MOI driver does not help if you hit it all over the face or don't return the face to square at impact! Thats why a lot of players hit it further (on average) with a shorter shaft than with a longer shaft. Short shaft often leads to better contact and better contact = more ballspeed = more distance

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On 11/20/2023 at 9:51 AM, RacineBoxer said:

 

 

Mark Crossfield isn't a scientist and has probably gotten a ton wrong over the years but I've heard him say a times that the most forgiving driver is the one you hit the center of the face with the most often. Sounds dumb but its true! 

 

Last year I got fitted for a PXG Gen 5 driver. I bought a weight kit because I like to dabble and mess around. I put an extra heavy weight in the back (more forgiveness- yay!!!) with some lighter ones up front to keep the overall weight the same... it was unbelievable how much it impacted my delivery & ball flight. I'm talking.... easily 30-40 yards loss of distance because I was hitting moon balls with probably 4000 spin (testing on course, not in front of a track man, fortunately or unfortunately). I think front/rear COG matters a lot. 

 

That said, I think we can all learn to play with the opposite of what we're use to, it just takes practice and intention. 

 

 

I'd never heard this but I really like it.  You see all the time these online tests where the strike point on the face basically determines which driver performs best.  All drivers are forgiving these days and not many are going to perform if you top it.  Makes total sense.

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13 hours ago, Bunkersarebigcups said:

 

Actually, a lot of fitters/pros/good players talk about this. And I agree! The highest MOI driver does not help if you hit it all over the face or don't return the face to square at impact! Thats why a lot of players hit it further (on average) with a shorter shaft than with a longer shaft. Short shaft often leads to better contact and better contact = more ballspeed = more distance

what driver 'speeds' do you thing this changes ...or does it?

 

what length do you recommend - say for 5'11" standard male?

 

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10 hours ago, Morry said:

what driver 'speeds' do you thing this changes ...or does it?

 

what length do you recommend - say for 5'11" standard male?

 

I am by no means a fitter or pro, so I can only talk about myself and what I've heard. But I got fit for a driver last year and had my highest average ballspeed with a 44.5" driver. Fitter said, he sees this a lot. For me it was like this: SS was ~104-106, closer to 104 with 44.5" closer to 106 or slightly above with 45.75". Smash factor (=strike) was just way more consistent with the shorter shaft.

 

This is why I am so sad that only few locations (at least in Europe) offer shorter driver shafts to try out... I am 182cm (almost 6'), for reference. YMMV

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Cobra Radspeed Big Tour @ 15.5°

Mizuno ST-Z 230 19°@20°

PING i230 4-U, +1/2", green dot
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Cleveland RTX Zipcore 60° Mid Sole

L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1

 

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1 hour ago, Bunkersarebigcups said:

I am by no means a fitter or pro, so I can only talk about myself and what I've heard. But I got fit for a driver last year and had my highest average ballspeed with a 44.5" driver. Fitter said, he sees this a lot. For me it was like this: SS was ~104-106, closer to 104 with 44.5" closer to 106 or slightly above with 45.75". Smash factor (=strike) was just way more consistent with the shorter shaft.

 

This is why I am so sad that only few locations (at least in Europe) offer shorter driver shafts to try out... I am 182cm (almost 6'), for reference. YMMV

I play 45” for a decade I think…..never really considered shorter….intriguing 

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Ping G430 7W - AD-DI 7-S 

Titleist T200 4i - Axiom 105-S
Cobra King Tour 5-PW - Modus 105-S
Cleveland RTX6 50 / 54 - DG spinner / 60 - Oban CT 125-S
PXG Battle Ready Bat Attack 

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23 hours ago, NoCalHack said:

 

 

I'd never heard this but I really like it.  You see all the time these online tests where the strike point on the face basically determines which driver performs best.  All drivers are forgiving these days and not many are going to perform if you top it.  Makes total sense.

 

Yeah, strike is critically important.

 

Titleist just posted a video the other day with Jordan Speith and Scotty Sheffler hitting different shots with their preferred balls, prov1x and prov1 respectively. The x spins a little more on iron shots and Jordan likes/needs that. The prov1 spins less on iron shots and that's exactly what Scotty needs.


Funny that when they got to the driver the Titleist guys weren't putting much stock into what the ball was doing, seemingly because of strike/delivery. They were essentially taking the position to fit the ball to your irons/wedges and when it comes to driver you fit the driver to the ball. Which makes sense, with drivers these days fitters have so many levers to pull to control launch, peak height and spin that you can tweak your way into a proper driver fit with pretty much any family of drivers.  

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3 hours ago, RacineBoxer said:

 

Yeah, strike is critically important.

 

Titleist just posted a video the other day with Jordan Speith and Scotty Sheffler hitting different shots with their preferred balls, prov1x and prov1 respectively. The x spins a little more on iron shots and Jordan likes/needs that. The prov1 spins less on iron shots and that's exactly what Scotty needs.


Funny that when they got to the driver the Titleist guys weren't putting much stock into what the ball was doing, seemingly because of strike/delivery. They were essentially taking the position to fit the ball to your irons/wedges and when it comes to driver you fit the driver to the ball. Which makes sense, with drivers these days fitters have so many levers to pull to control launch, peak height and spin that you can tweak your way into a proper driver fit with pretty much any family of drivers.  

This is definitely how it's supposed to be done. The ball should be fitted for from the short end to the long end, and by the time you get to the "long game" clubs and any sort of metalwood, you should have already decided on the ball. Once there, fit the club to the ball and swing. There are tons of options in the long game because the long game is "sexy", thus more money goes into it.

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2 hours ago, Phebus said:

 

 

I’m just hoping with the new issue driver that the price of the current G430 Max is discounted as I want one. 

 

No way they price drop other G430 stuff with this release.  This is a continuation of the G430 line.  It is not replacing anything so the G430 Max will likely stay the same price.  I'm also wiling to bet the G430 Max 10K will be at a higher price point than the LST.

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12 hours ago, Anser3 said:

 

No way they price drop other G430 stuff with this release.  This is a continuation of the G430 line.  It is not replacing anything so the G430 Max will likely stay the same price.  I'm also wiling to bet the G430 Max 10K will be at a higher price point than the LST.

Agreed.

 

There won't be a price drop on the G430 line until the G435 or whatever is next comes out.

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Ping G430 Five Wood Ping Distanza

Ping G430 Seven Wood Ping Distanza

Ping G430 Nine Wood Ping Distanza

Ping i230 5-PW Red Dot + 1"  Recoil Dart 105

Ping i230 Utility Wedge +1" Recoil Dart 105

Ping Glide 4.0 56 Degree ES Red Dot ZZ 115

Scotty Cameron Squareback 2.5 341/2"

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Looks like Champ, Lingmerth, and Harrington have this in the bag already.

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Driver:  Titleist TSR3 9* Tensei AV Blue 6X

Fairway:  Ping G430 Max 13.5* Tour 2.0 Black 75X

Fairway:  Ping G430 Max 19.5* Tour 2.0 Black 75X

Irons:  PXG 0317 CB 4-GW KBS Tour 130X

Wedge: Ping Glide 4.0 54S Modus 125W

Wedge: Ping Glide 4.0 58S Modus 125W

Putter: LAB Link.1

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

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On 11/22/2023 at 7:50 AM, Bunkersarebigcups said:

I am by no means a fitter or pro, so I can only talk about myself and what I've heard. But I got fit for a driver last year and had my highest average ballspeed with a 44.5" driver. Fitter said, he sees this a lot. For me it was like this: SS was ~104-106, closer to 104 with 44.5" closer to 106 or slightly above with 45.75". Smash factor (=strike) was just way more consistent with the shorter shaft.

 

This is why I am so sad that only few locations (at least in Europe) offer shorter driver shafts to try out... I am 182cm (almost 6'), for reference. YMMV

I'm 6' myself and SS ~105 mph. Been playing a 44.5" driver for years. My scores have improved and I've hit the longest drives of my life in my late 30's.

 

Meanwhile all my friends with stock length drivers keep calling me crazy, and continue slicing balls into the woods...

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