Tiger vs. Phil in "The Match." **MERGED**

[imakaveli]

Capital One Ceo must feel rather dumb after that...

[Holy Moses]

Peter Jacobsen ruined this thing for me. The whole thing was marketed on the banter between the players, the side bets etc. We missed 80 percent of this while the fools in the booth yapped on and on and on. Awful production value, limited graphics on the screen, no technical feedback on numbers from top tracer,... plus now with social media providing instant feedback, the producers could have gotten instant feedback from the viewers on the horrible production, they then could have run to Home Depot, purchased some duct tape and taped all of the announcers mouth’s shut. Also, the greens were punched.... I’m not hating on it, I just think it could have been so much better.

 

Jake was bad, but it’s not like Tiger and Phil had many interesting things to say during their round. I expected more.

[Holy Moses]

Comcast will be crediting anyone who paid for it (like me) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2018/11/23/match-technical-issues-streaming-affect-tiger-woods-phil-mickelson-event/2098368002/

[Pleasedwith3putts]

Well that was overall a big disappointment for me.

The quality of golf was frankly poor

Jake was doing his Johnny Miller impersonation saying how easy every shot was when it clearly wasn't

The interaction between Phil and Tiger was weak and very little trash talk

The money challenges were all a bit predictable, for instance I'd like to have seen a challenge given for a short game up and down

Some of the gimmees did look a bit staged to keep the sponsors happy by keeping the game going and the bets coming in to pay for their services

 

I'd like to have seen Barclay go out and take the Verlander challenge on 1 to spice it up a bit.

Glad Phil won though, his play was better than Tiger on the day.

Playoff par 3 was a bit of a gimmick but they knew they could have a light problem and it isn't really feasible to bring in floodlighting for a complete par 5

[Holy Moses]

Barkley was at Top Golf last night and he lost the hitch in his swing. Maybe he could have beaten Tiger and Phil after all.

[buckrogers71]

I didnt know about the comcast thing (refund) so that is nice.

Would I rent it again, probably.

My take on it was the following: 1. Golf wasnt great BUT that would lend itself to more trash talk. 2. The bets were a little nuts and after a while predictable (1 long drive and closest to pin). How bout "50k you dont get up and down from there."? 3. I like Jacobson, but yesterday was over the top....4. Was the purse so much that you didnt have the banter that we were promised?

[Cool Runnings]

So Rory was right after all... this match was indeed 15 years too late. The standard of golf was pretty shocking at times, and the commentary from both Tiger & Phil and the booth was cringeworthy quite often.

 

Disagree. It was well worth the $20. 15 years ago it would have been worth $100 due to the tiger hype machine , But that's another subject entirely.

 

Rory plus anyone else wouldn't have generated as many viewers as today. Rory's point was that it was a bad idea , a " fail" as the young kids would say. Well. It really wasn't. Too many people watched go say that. Room for improvement? Yes. But 15 years ago all we'd have seen different is a little less gracious tiger and maybe a Phil who would have took the win form a tiger miss . Otherwise same same. Either could have won 15 years ago. Same as today.

 

Rory was right, can you at least admit that? This would have been a far better product 15 years ago. I think you owe Rory an apology.

 

No. He said it would have been relevant 15 years ago. Insinuating it wasn't today.

 

It was quite relevant. Rory was wrong.

 

The question both Rory & JT were asked was “will you be watching ‘The Match’ ”?… both their responses are true and/or fair.

 

Rory Mcilroy:

“Look, if they had done it 15 years ago it would have been great,” McIlroy told reporters on Tuesday in Dubai. “But nowadays, it’s missed the mark a little bit.”

 

Justin Thomas:

“Love TW and Phil to death…. but there’s a 0% chance I order that, I’ll be watching football!?”

 

Stop whining and projecting your own “pure hate & jealousy” on to these other golfers who simply gave an honest answer to the question.

 

The fact is Rory & JT were both RIGHT in their answers, what we saw yesterday was very poor quality golf with a few exceptions. 15 years ago WOULD have been a far better spectacle, that’s just the REALITY.

Heck even the NoLayingUp post-event podcast said:

“It was just a let down even at the lowest entertainment level.”

[Holy Moses]

So Rory was right after all... this match was indeed 15 years too late. The standard of golf was pretty shocking at times, and the commentary from both Tiger & Phil and the booth was cringeworthy quite often.

 

Disagree. It was well worth the $20. 15 years ago it would have been worth $100 due to the tiger hype machine , But that's another subject entirely.

 

Rory plus anyone else wouldn't have generated as many viewers as today. Rory's point was that it was a bad idea , a " fail" as the young kids would say. Well. It really wasn't. Too many people watched go say that. Room for improvement? Yes. But 15 years ago all we'd have seen different is a little less gracious tiger and maybe a Phil who would have took the win form a tiger miss . Otherwise same same. Either could have won 15 years ago. Same as today.

 

Rory was right, can you at least admit that? This would have been a far better product 15 years ago. I think you owe Rory an apology.

 

No. He said it would have been relevant 15 years ago. Insinuating it wasn't today.

 

It was quite relevant. Rory was wrong.

The question both Rory & JT were asked was “will you be watching ‘The Match’ ”?… both their responses are true and/or fair.

Rory Mcilroy:

“Look, if they had done it 15 years ago it would have been great,” McIlroy told reporters on Tuesday in Dubai. “But nowadays, it’s missed the mark a little bit.”

Justin Thomas:

“Love TW and Phil to death…. but there’s a 0% chance I order that, I’ll be watching football!?”

Stop whining and projecting your own “pure hate & jealousy” on to these other golfers who simply gave an honest answer to the question.

The fact is Rory & JT were both RIGHT in their answers, what we saw yesterday was very poor quality golf with a few exceptions. 15 years ago WOULD have been a far better spectacle, that’s just the REALITY.

Heck even the NoLayingUp post-event podcast said it was “terrible”.

 

JT watched it, Instagrammed on it, and tweeted about it. Maybe he didn’t order it, but he watched it and commented on how bad the putting was.

[drbonesvt]

Rory should have watched it, his putting is worse than Tiger’s or Phil’s

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

 

Did watch or not? New poll here

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1716244-poll-did-you-watch-the-match-tiger-v-phil/page__pid__18292926#entry18292926

[gatorpedsMD]

For everyone saying the golf wasn’t that great let’s give some credit to the course. That course looks very challenging and those greens were very firm and had lots of subtle breaks to them. I don’t see a sub -20 total winning score there @a pga event. The course is 7560 yards too! The last shot 100% should have been 17 lit up though. That 90 yarder was dumb.

[Cool Runnings]

Rory should have watched it, his putting is worse than Tiger’s or Phil’s

Why would Rory want to watch two players putting worse than him? I don’t know why some people can’t admit Rory was actually right to say “if they had done it 15 years ago it would have been great”. He was on-point.

[Cool Runnings]

I don't have the same trust in Tiger to make key putts that he used to back in his prime. Today was another reason to think that.

 

I don't think mentally Tiger can handle the pressure quite like he use to. The Tour Champ's may have been the exception as we've seen him looking mentally fragile in the key pressure moments time and again this season. I'm really curious to see how he stacks up next season.

 

Three of the major venues are ones he's won at. He'll get a major this year.

Don’t forget Tiger has won at Arnold & Jack’s events roughly a dozen times but that didn’t count for anything. It’s about execution under pressure which for the most part he’s struggled with.

[Cool Runnings]

So Rory was right after all... this match was indeed 15 years too late. The standard of golf was pretty shocking at times, and the commentary from both Tiger & Phil and the booth was cringeworthy quite often.

 

Disagree. It was well worth the $20. 15 years ago it would have been worth $100 due to the tiger hype machine , But that's another subject entirely.

 

Rory plus anyone else wouldn't have generated as many viewers as today. Rory's point was that it was a bad idea , a " fail" as the young kids would say. Well. It really wasn't. Too many people watched go say that. Room for improvement? Yes. But 15 years ago all we'd have seen different is a little less gracious tiger and maybe a Phil who would have took the win form a tiger miss . Otherwise same same. Either could have won 15 years ago. Same as today.

 

Rory was right, can you at least admit that? This would have been a far better product 15 years ago. I think you owe Rory an apology.

 

No. He said it would have been relevant 15 years ago. Insinuating it wasn't today.

 

It was quite relevant. Rory was wrong.

No. Rory said (and I quote) “if they had done it 15 years ago it would have been great… But nowadays, it’s missed the mark a little bit.” He was absolutely right, what we saw last night was (and I quote)…

NoLayingUp post-event:

“It was just a let down even at the lowest entertainment level.”

Can you at least admit Rory was right in saying… “if they had done it 15 years ago it would have been great”? It certainly would have been better quality than what we saw last night? Can you at least drop the ego and concede that point?

[Zz24hours]

Interaction between them was boring, and akward. Betting was boring, except for the mio$ possible eagle.

 

They could at least put up a 10k skingame for a start, missed GIR bets, those sorts. And bantered more about it, instead of padding eachother om the back through 22 holes.

[BRS2014]

For everyone saying the golf wasn't that great let's give some credit to the course. That course looks very challenging and those greens were very firm and had lots of subtle breaks to them. I don't see a sub -20 total winning score there @a pga event. The course is 7560 yards too! The last shot 100% should have been 17 lit up though. That 90 yarder was dumb.

 

I think the greens specifically were the reason the scoring wasn't better. Especially on the front by Phil. If people want to see more birdies in a future match like this, I think they should try to move this to a course that is played on Tour so that they are more familiar with the greens.

I agree the 90 yard shot was a little goofy but it sets the stage for another match next year starting earlier than 12PM.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

For everyone saying the golf wasn't that great let's give some credit to the course. That course looks very challenging and those greens were very firm and had lots of subtle breaks to them. I don't see a sub -20 total winning score there @a pga event. The course is 7560 yards too!

 

The course was playing fast and every par 5 was in range and Phil was using 2 iron and nothing longer than a mid iron on most par 4's. The greens weren't overly quick and did hold a shot.

 

Both of them struggled to break par yesterday. What I saw was a course that I would have expected their performance to mean both of them struggling to even make the cut without a low second round in a good quality field.

[augustgolf]

Just announced:

 

New format for next match:

 

Bingo Bango Bongo - $10k/point

 

 

[Hateto3Putt]

Well that was overall a big disappointment for me.

 

 

How could that made fore TV hype be anything less than disappointing?

 

Side note: You have a bizarre screen name. :stink:

[Pleasedwith3putts]

 

Side note: You have a bizarre screen name. :stink:

 

Self-deprecating humor!

 

Anyhow be grateful, you could be called Hateto4putt given I joined the forum 3 months earlier and could have chosen Hateto3putt instead :taunt:

[new2g0lf]

Well that was overall a big disappointment for me.

The quality of golf was frankly poor

Jake was doing his Johnny Miller impersonation saying how easy every shot was when it clearly wasn't

The interaction between Phil and Tiger was weak and very little trash talk

The money challenges were all a bit predictable, for instance I'd like to have seen a challenge given for a short game up and down

Some of the gimmees did look a bit staged to keep the sponsors happy by keeping the game going and the bets coming in to pay for their services

 

I'd like to have seen Barclay go out and take the Verlander challenge on 1 to spice it up a bit.

Glad Phil won though, his play was better than Tiger on the day.

Playoff par 3 was a bit of a gimmick but they knew they could have a light problem and it isn't really feasible to bring in floodlighting for a complete par 5

I think everyone, including production had hoped there would be more banter between Tiger and Phil but it was pretty obvious that while there's a lot of mutual respect, the guys aren't friends and don't have much to talk about. I also think their competitive juices started to flow and they were more focused on winning than putting on a good show.

 

The 98 yard par 3 playoff was anti-climatic but understandable given the need for lighting, they should have started the match earlier since all the betting and Brodie projections were on the matching ending AS after 18.

[FLGOLFJUNKIE]

I tried to get mad at Tiger and Phil, but at the end of the day, they were still competing for $9mm. If I had $1k on the line, don't expect a WORD from me the entire round, 100% focus with no trash talk. The hype worked, but at the end, they were still at "work". These guys aren't built to trash talk when they're competing. You can tell they both wanted to win, but what the people wanted never really happened. Oh well. Everyone watched it for "free". Lesson learned!

[Doc420]

Well the average golf fan liked this match even if many people on WRX didn't. I watched in a University of Kentucky sports bar, it was standing room only with a half hour wait if you wanted to sit. They had hole by hole bets so that netted me several beers. There was a Kentucky basketball game on, nobody paid any attention to it. The first half was over before golf was finished. You are doing something if you can make that happen.

[gvogel]

Rory should have watched it, his putting is worse than Tiger’s or Phil’s

 

Harvey Penick said, "Go to dinner with good putters." He might as well have said, don't pay to watch bad putting.

[MarkFromTheUK]

Tough crowd. I thought it was fun. I’m not sure what people were expecting, but it’s difficult to smack talk your opponent when one is heading down the centre of the fairway, and the other is heading in to the trees. With only two participants, the banter was always going to be limited.

 

 

[Holy Moses]

For everyone saying the golf wasn't that great let's give some credit to the course. That course looks very challenging and those greens were very firm and had lots of subtle breaks to them. I don't see a sub -20 total winning score there @a pga event. The course is 7560 yards too! The last shot 100% should have been 17 lit up though. That 90 yarder was dumb.

 

I think the greens specifically were the reason the scoring wasn't better. Especially on the front by Phil. If people want to see more birdies in a future match like this, I think they should try to move this to a course that is played on Tour so that they are more familiar with the greens.

I agree the 90 yard shot was a little goofy but it sets the stage for another match next year starting earlier than 12PM.

 

They both played the course many times. Tiger had the course record.

[bladehunter]

Surprised to see the "match" listed on the PGA Tour website schedule. Does it help or harm the PGA Tour brand??

 

https://www.pgatour....s/schedule.html

 

 

Can only help. How could it hurt ? Positive publicity, plus a chance to see the two best of an era once more.

 

If this experiment goes forward, my prediction is it won't, not sure the PGA Tour will want to be associated with that kind of "positive publicity".

 

That’s cool. I just don’t see the down side.? As in why does it hurt the tour ? New eyes on the game etc. much more traditional way to grow that “ top golf “ and larger holes etc.

[dropkicked]

^This event is simply beginning. In this age of instant service delivery, shows such as this will be distributed with similar delivery mechanisms. PPV, was well ahead of it's time in this regard.

The PGA, needed to grow it's game and this is exactly what they did. This event, while ridiculed by some, will in fact help this game to grow by leaps and bounds. (IMO)

Proof would be the many who moaned about this event and protested it's viability with their refusal to watch... only to find themselves "hate" watching... (which has always been a thing)

[bladehunter]

So Rory was right after all... this match was indeed 15 years too late. The standard of golf was pretty shocking at times, and the commentary from both Tiger & Phil and the booth was cringeworthy quite often.

 

Disagree. It was well worth the $20. 15 years ago it would have been worth $100 due to the tiger hype machine , But that's another subject entirely.

 

Rory plus anyone else wouldn't have generated as many viewers as today. Rory's point was that it was a bad idea , a " fail" as the young kids would say. Well. It really wasn't. Too many people watched go say that. Room for improvement? Yes. But 15 years ago all we'd have seen different is a little less gracious tiger and maybe a Phil who would have took the win form a tiger miss . Otherwise same same. Either could have won 15 years ago. Same as today.

 

Rory was right, can you at least admit that? This would have been a far better product 15 years ago. I think you owe Rory an apology.

 

No. He said it would have been relevant 15 years ago. Insinuating it wasn't today.

 

It was quite relevant. Rory was wrong.

 

The question both Rory & JT were asked was “will you be watching ‘The Match’ ”?… both their responses are true and/or fair.

 

Rory Mcilroy:

“Look, if they had done it 15 years ago it would have been great,” McIlroy told reporters on Tuesday in Dubai. “But nowadays, it’s missed the mark a little bit.”

 

Justin Thomas:

“Love TW and Phil to death…. but there’s a 0% chance I order that, I’ll be watching football!?”

 

Stop whining and projecting your own “pure hate & jealousy” on to these other golfers who simply gave an honest answer to the question.

 

The fact is Rory & JT were both RIGHT in their answers, what we saw yesterday was very poor quality golf with a few exceptions. 15 years ago WOULD have been a far better spectacle, that’s just the REALITY.

Heck even the NoLayingUp post-event podcast said:

“It was just a let down even at the lowest entertainment level.”

 

Lol.

 

We just have to agree to disagree on Rory. He was wrong. There is no 2 players who could have made the match better. Drawn more fans or made more $. Unless you contest that point we’re just arguing over semantics. And that’s fruitless for either of us.

 

As for JT. lol. He tweeted at the show before it started and all during. They showed his tweets several times. He watched with Spieth etc at his home. So don’t go lumping someone else in to Rory’s pitty party.

 

Show wasn’t the miss Rory said it would be. Bottom line. Watch the new poll on the other thread. You’ll see the majority of the “ golf nerds “ as you coined us watched it here.

[eebomb]

Boy, I sure wish I had invested $20 of my money to watch this historic event. Instead I wasted it on a worthless actual round of golf in 75 degree weather.

you're so cool