New TM Mini coming?

[PNW]

19 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I hesitated a few times when thinking of buying one, primarily from 2nd Swing.  Each time, they vanished overnight, or in one case, within a couple hours.

 

It may be partially a supply thing, but there was definite demand for 11.5* OO's.

 

 

That's exactly what I was looking for, 11.5* Stiff (ideally X but not an option). I actually bought one used on one of the big online retailers that sells used clubs (which I won't name) that was listed as Like New and at new price. It showed up appearing to be much more used than listed, so I returned it hoping to find another. Nothing reasonable came up since whenever I checked. 

Edited June 8, 2021 by PNW

[NRJyzr]

25 minutes ago, PNW said:

 

That's exactly what I was looking for, 11.5* Stiff (ideally X but not an option). I actually bought one used on one of the big online retailers that sells used clubs (which I won't name) that was listed as Like New and at new price. It showed up appearing to be much more used than listed, so I returned it hoping to find another. Nothing reasonable came up since whenever I checked. 

 

I bought without regard for the shaft, figuring I would plug in one of my own.  I like heavier graphite than most do, if I'd waited for something like that, I'd never get one.  

 

[Florida Gator]

6 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

silver. 

Thank you.  Looked silver to me in the pics but you never know.  Shame it’s not black.  

[adh2k1]

I am torn whether or not I will get one. I mean I absolutely love the OO, but I don't really need the new one. I am told that once you find a 3W that you love, you never let it go, and that's what I primarily use it for. Occasionally off the tee, but mostly off the deck. Unless the driver is misbehaving of course...

[jll62]

8 hours ago, adh2k1 said:

I am torn whether or not I will get one. I mean I absolutely love the OO, but I don't really need the new one. I am told that once you find a 3W that you love, you never let it go, and that's what I primarily use it for. Occasionally off the tee, but mostly off the deck. Unless the driver is misbehaving of course...

 

It looks like they're going with the V-steel concept on the sole. If so, that would mean a lower CG, which should make it easier to launch the ball. You should get better turf interaction, as well. Given that you use it mostly off the deck, those could be compelling enough features for you to consider upgrading.

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by jll62

[cals]

I am going to upgrade from the OO to this club most likely. 25 more cc and the v steel sole have me excited. Also really am digging the look of the club and that early 2000s nostalgia.

[markheardjr]

10 hours ago, jll62 said:

 

It looks like they're going with the V-steel concept on the sole. If so, that would mean a lower CG, which should make it easier to launch the ball. You should get better turf interaction, as well. Given that you use it mostly off the deck, those could be compelling enough features for you to consider upgrading.

 

This is the opposite of what I personally want. I want it to launch low. I'm looking for a fairway funding bullet that stays below the tree line. Not looking for something to cover "forced carry" situations off the deck. That'll be my 3wd or hybrids.

[ASN21]

10 minutes ago, markheardjr said:

This is the opposite of what I personally want. I want it to launch low. I'm looking for a fairway funding bullet that stays below the tree line. Not looking for something to cover "forced carry" situations off the deck. That'll be my 3wd or hybrids.

You'll be able to launch it low by dialing down the loft and putting in the proper shaft of course. 

[adh2k1]

11 hours ago, jll62 said:

 

It looks like they're going with the V-steel concept on the sole. If so, that would mean a lower CG, which should make it easier to launch the ball. You should get better turf interaction, as well. Given that you use it mostly off the deck, those could be compelling enough features for you to consider upgrading.

 

Well you convinced the HO in me.... Make sure Taylormade gives you your commission check! Definitely not getting rid of my OO though. I actually may go down in loft as I have mine set to 11.5 currently.

[rgk5]

On 6/8/2021 at 3:35 PM, QuigleyDU said:

 

I do not think that is true at all. The OG sold really well.. 

As a niche product, yes.  Compared to standard drivers and three woods, no.  As I stated earlier, if they were in such great demand, why did they not stay around as updated models? Companies study market trends VERY carefully.

[PNW]

17 minutes ago, rgk5 said:

As a niche product, yes.  Compared to standard drivers and three woods, no.  As I stated earlier, if they were in such great demand, why did they not stay around as updated models? Companies study market trends VERY carefully.

 

It's a specialty club. There are plenty of us weirdos who will buy these up every couple of years to sell out based on TM's planned production for this specific club. They sold quite well for TM's intentions. I don't think anyone can reasonably expect that this is a mass replacement for a driver. TM certainly wouldn't, but it successfully sold what they planned for. 

[QuigleyDU]

Just now, PNW said:

 

It's a specialty club. There are plenty of us weirdos who will buy these up every couple of years to sell out based on TM's planned production for this specific club. They sold quite well for TM's intentions. I don't think anyone can reasonably expect that this is a mass replacement for a driver. TM certainly wouldn't, but it successfully sold what they planned for. 

Yeah, that is my thought as well. This is a bit of a mass limited release. This is not a driver or a fairway wood that they are trying to push huge numbers on. Just trying to push the right amount. 

[jll62]

2 hours ago, adh2k1 said:

Well you convinced the HO in me.... Make sure Taylormade gives you your commission check! Definitely not getting rid of my OO though. I actually may go down in loft as I have mine set to 11.5 currently.

 

@TaylorMade Golf  👋 🤣

[Ivyguy]

On 6/8/2021 at 9:33 PM, Florida Gator said:

Thank you.  Looked silver to me in the pics but you never know.  Shame it’s not black.  

You know what’s funny. The black face looks better, but I swear (totally scientific of course) the silver face feels hotter.  
 

I dunno, I drink a lot too. So, there’s that. 

Edited June 11, 2021 by Ivyguy

[glofer]

July 16th release confirmed today by TM rep.  

[SMUGamer]

In todays TXG video (@12:15 mark), Ian trashed the "mini" drivers. Essentially said, you can shorten a 460 driver and achieve much better performance, both accuracy and distance, then gave examples: 

 

Edited June 11, 2021 by SMUGamer

[PNW]

21 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

In todays TXG video, Ian trashed the "mini" drivers. Essentially said, you can shorten a 460 driver and achieve much better performance, both accuracy and distance, then gave examples: 

 

 

Blasphemy! these guys don't know anything

 

... approx what minute were they discussing this...?

[SMUGamer]

14 minutes ago, PNW said:

 

Blasphemy! these guys don't know anything

 

... approx what minute were they discussing this...?

Just edited my post above. Its @ the 12:15 Mark. 

[hoselrocker]

The "who is this club for" debate is getting old. Not everybody likes looking down at a driver that looks like a bloated melon. 

When I look down at my OO on the tee I know I'm going to find the fairway. I rarely have to drop another ball on the tee these days unlike my buds who will launch one into jail and then puff their chest out when they re-load and finally get one out there. Thats right, 3 from the tee.

I've discovered golf is way more fun playing off the fairway while only being 20 yards behind others that play the birthday balloons that are drivers these days.

 

I have experimented with cutting down my 460 drivers and nothing worked. 44.5 , 44, 43.5, got as short as 43 inches and the accuracy wasn't better. I just can't hit a 460 driver - should I quit golf?

Check the astonishment at the door - not everybody likes or can hit a big driver. Just like not everybody can or should play blades. Lots of fun ways to get around a golf course with the tools we have available to us.

Edited June 11, 2021 by hoselrocker

[SMUGamer]

13 minutes ago, hoselrocker said:

The "who is this club for" debate is getting old. Not everybody likes looking down at a driver that looks like a bloated melon. 

When I look down at my OO on the tee I know I'm going to find the fairway. I rarely have to drop another ball on the tee these days unlike my buds who will launch one into jail and then puff their chest out when they re-load and finally get one out there. Thats right, 3 from the tee.

I've discovered golf is way more fun playing off the fairway while only being 20 yards behind others that play the birthday balloons that are drivers these days.

 

I have experimented with cutting down my 460 drivers and nothing worked. 44.5 , 44, 43.5, got as short as 43 inches and the accuracy wasn't better. I just can't hit a 460 driver - should I quit golf?

Check the astonishment at the door - not everybody likes or can hit a big driver. Just like not everybody can or should play blades. Lots of fun ways to get around a golf course with the tools we have available to us.

No, you shouldn't quit golf and you should use what works for you. That said, it sounds like you fall into the category, Matty boy eluded to on the video, which is you have a mental block with a 460 head and cannot get passed it. If we take that to an extreme though, I wonder why you don't hit a smaller headed 3 wood off the tee better than a larger headed mini-driver? 

[hoselrocker]

4 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

No, you shouldn't quit golf and you should use what works for you. That said, it sounds like you fall into the category, Matty boy eluded to on the video, which is you have a mental block with a 460 head and cannot get passed it. If we take that to an extreme though, I wonder why you don't hit a smaller headed 3 wood off the tee better than a larger headed mini-driver? 

Yes I'm definitely that guy. I think this is why I'm really looking forward to trying the 300. It's 25 cc bigger than my current mini but is still way smaller than the 460 driver.

Good question - I did try using a 3 wood off the tee and my consistency was worse than the driver. I can't explain why.

Some of this for me is a function of the swing I'm working with which isn't ideal, but I can get away with it when I hit the mini.

Must be psychological - but how much of golf is a confidence mind over matter thing?

[SMUGamer]

4 minutes ago, hoselrocker said:

Yes I'm definitely that guy. I think this is why I'm really looking forward to trying the 300. It's 25 cc bigger than my current mini but is still way smaller than the 460 driver.

Good question - I did try using a 3 wood off the tee and my consistency was worse than the driver. I can't explain why.

Some of this for me is a function of the swing I'm working with which isn't ideal, but I can get away with it when I hit the mini.

Must be psychological - but how much of golf is a confidence mind over matter thing?

Absolutely - much of golf is between the ears so if it helps you in that regard, by all means, use it. If its not a mental issue, I also love the application of setting up a fade biased 460 driver and then setting up a draw biased mini-driver. Very strategic course strategy and not sure but thought thats how Phil's set-up worked at the PGA. Either way, that is an application that might be worth exploring. 

[Clubhoe]

11 hours ago, hoselrocker said:

The "who is this club for" debate is getting old. Not everybody likes looking down at a driver that looks like a bloated melon. 

When I look down at my OO on the tee I know I'm going to find the fairway. I rarely have to drop another ball on the tee these days unlike my buds who will launch one into jail and then puff their chest out when they re-load and finally get one out there. Thats right, 3 from the tee.

I've discovered golf is way more fun playing off the fairway while only being 20 yards behind others that play the birthday balloons that are drivers these days.

 

I have experimented with cutting down my 460 drivers and nothing worked. 44.5 , 44, 43.5, got as short as 43 inches and the accuracy wasn't better. I just can't hit a 460 driver - should I quit golf?

Check the astonishment at the door - not everybody likes or can hit a big driver. Just like not everybody can or should play blades. Lots of fun ways to get around a golf course with the tools we have available to us.

Its that simple for me. I hate the big heads on the modern drivers. 3 wood as a driver seemed too small, but 2 wood size is perfect. 

Its also a nice feeling when I continually drive as far as blokes who are using 460cc's.

Edited June 12, 2021 by Clubhoe

[North Butte]

On 6/1/2021 at 6:16 AM, dcmidnight said:

 

I've tried out minis before - multiple ones actually - and I still have no clue who they are marketed towards.

 

When I got fit for a driver a couple years back, even with a pretty decent SS (~106) I was fit into a 12* driver cranked down one notch, so right in this neighborhood loftwise. I also choke down a couple inches on a 45" shaft so again, in the neighborhood. What does this bring me off the tee? Or let me flip that around - if you are looking at the mini why would you not consider a higher lofted driver with 50% more size/forgiveness?

 

All that being said - I fricking LOVE the look of this...so...its 50-50 that I buy this one too. Or 95-5, whatever....

I think it's main target market is guys who will tee the ball up way high, way forward and swing at 110% of their maximum clubhead speed every single time they pick up a club that is called a "driver".

 

They need a "driving iron" or "strong 3-wood" or "Mini" or some other club to use off the tee so they can make a normal, in-control swing at it and keep it in play.

 

I suspect a lot of them eventually find if they get rid of the "driver" and use only a "mini" or whatever they'll eventually start swinging at it like a gorilla too. Then they move on to the next fairway finder that they can use to avoid overswinging. Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

At $250 for driving irons and $400 for Mini-drivers that's a lot of money to made, right there. 

[nosedive32]

11 hours ago, North Butte said:

I think it's main target market is guys who will tee the ball up way high, way forward and swing at 110% of their maximum clubhead speed every single time they pick up a club that is called a "driver".

 

They need a "driving iron" or "strong 3-wood" or "Mini" or some other club to use off the tee so they can make a normal, in-control swing at it and keep it in play.

 

I suspect a lot of them eventually find if they get rid of the "driver" and use only a "mini" or whatever they'll eventually start swinging at it like a gorilla too. Then they move on to the next fairway finder that they can use to avoid overswinging. Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

At $250 for driving irons and $400 for Mini-drivers that's a lot of money to made, right there. 

Hey some of us regular Joe's who aren't blessed with the ability to naturally hit bombs need to tee it miles high, hit massively up at it, and swing out of our shoes to keep up with the mashers we play with.

 

Some of us actually hit it just as accurately that way too then need "strong 3 woods" and "driving irons" to achieve appropriate gapping with our super loft jacked irons to 64 degree wedge from outer space set ups 

[Puttersaurus Rex]

It is a horse for my course.

[chipa]

13 hours ago, North Butte said:

I think it's main target market is guys who will tee the ball up way high, way forward and swing at 110% of their maximum clubhead speed every single time they pick up a club that is called a "driver".

 

They need a "driving iron" or "strong 3-wood" or "Mini" or some other club to use off the tee so they can make a normal, in-control swing at it and keep it in play.

 

I suspect a lot of them eventually find if they get rid of the "driver" and use only a "mini" or whatever they'll eventually start swinging at it like a gorilla too. Then they move on to the next fairway finder that they can use to avoid overswinging. Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

At $250 for driving irons and $400 for Mini-drivers that's a lot of money to made, right there. 

 

That has been my problem and I recently found a tiny 90's era 2 wood that so far I am hitting better than my larger driver. It's 195 cc but has a deep face so looks like a typical 5 wood at 150 cc. The smaller head forces me to make a more controlled swing, just like the small blades I play, and I think it will prove to help me be just as accurate.

[Gary Gutful]

14 hours ago, North Butte said:

I think it's main target market is guys who will tee the ball up way high, way forward and swing at 110% of their maximum clubhead speed every single time they pick up a club that is called a "driver".

 

They need a "driving iron" or "strong 3-wood" or "Mini" or some other club to use off the tee so they can make a normal, in-control swing at it and keep it in play.

 

I suspect a lot of them eventually find if they get rid of the "driver" and use only a "mini" or whatever they'll eventually start swinging at it like a gorilla too. Then they move on to the next fairway finder that they can use to avoid overswinging. Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

At $250 for driving irons and $400 for Mini-drivers that's a lot of money to made, right there. 

I’m one of those people. Don’t hit anything longer than an 8iron these days...

[craz-e]

17 hours ago, North Butte said:

I think it's main target market is guys who will tee the ball up way high, way forward and swing at 110% of their maximum clubhead speed every single time they pick up a club that is called a "driver".

 

They need a "driving iron" or "strong 3-wood" or "Mini" or some other club to use off the tee so they can make a normal, in-control swing at it and keep it in play.

 

I suspect a lot of them eventually find if they get rid of the "driver" and use only a "mini" or whatever they'll eventually start swinging at it like a gorilla too. Then they move on to the next fairway finder that they can use to avoid overswinging. Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

At $250 for driving irons and $400 for Mini-drivers that's a lot of money to made, right there. 

to be honest, this sounds like me 

[ws6]

The 13.5 OO has been really good for me, much better than the SLDR mini.  My OO is really low spin, I wonder how the 300 will compare?