PING G430 - Are They Finally Going Back to a Carbon Fiber Crown?

[Ghostwedge]

 By " small town" I meant on this site only. Strange but true happens here, guys absolutely won't put a Ping in the bag over the turbs (even tho its probably better than their gamer) I can't do the looks of a two-ball putter either. lol

 

 

 

[bopper53]

Surprised that sound bothers people.

 

In over 30 years of golfing, I have owned most drivers and never once thought about the sound.

[Morry]

Cannot wait for this 

425 was a miss for me 

still in 410 

pumped they will nail this for me 

when do pics leak???

[MattM97]

On 9/13/2021 at 11:45 AM, bopper53 said:

Surprised that sound bothers people.

 

In over 30 years of golfing, I have owned most drivers and never once thought about the sound.

 

Welcome to golf, where everyone bitches about everything. 

[Chilli9880]

I just want to add some opinion, not facts to this conversation. You know... like most social media/online sites, Haha! 

 

I love the turbulators solely based on how they frame the ball at address. Performance benefit or not, I just like how it frames the ball. Didn't like the sound or feel of either the 410 or the 425. I had hot melt put into my 410 and I hit it so well, there was no point going to the 425. 

 

My wishes for the 430 (if that's even what they're going to call it): Keep turbulators, improve sound & feel and if they want to go Carbon Fiber Crown (which will probably improve on the sound & feel) I'm all for it. 

 

Most importantly though... DO NOT CHANGE THE ADAPTER!!! I don't want to go through what I had to from the 400 to the 410... 

[MattM97]

55 minutes ago, Chilli9880 said:

I just want to add some opinion, not facts to this conversation. You know... like most social media/online sites, Haha! 

 

I love the turbulators solely based on how they frame the ball at address. Performance benefit or not, I just like how it frames the ball. Didn't like the sound or feel of either the 410 or the 425. I had hot melt put into my 410 and I hit it so well, there was no point going to the 425. 

 

My wishes for the 430 (if that's even what they're going to call it): Keep turbulators, improve sound & feel and if they want to go Carbon Fiber Crown (which will probably improve on the sound & feel) I'm all for it. 

 

Most importantly though... DO NOT CHANGE THE ADAPTER!!! I don't want to go through what I had to from the 400 to the 410... 

 

I doubt they will, seems like most brands stick to an adapter for a while and Ping has it near perfect with this current one for how simple and light it is and all it can adjust. 

[erock9174]

On 9/17/2021 at 2:54 PM, MattM97 said:

 

I doubt they will, seems like most brands stick to an adapter for a while and Ping has it near perfect with this current one for how simple and light it is and all it can adjust. 

Just a shame it’s not a dual cog. I like how with the callaway you can add loft and the face doesn’t close as much as a single cog adapter. 

[Morry]

Make it More Neutral bias (bias moved more towards draw from 400 to 410 to 425)  and LESS HEAVY 

 

Rest is great and the adapter with the flat setting is money 

[GG194]

Keep reading about the Ping sound, I have a G410+ and don't notice it. Apparently no one remembers the nike sasquatch sumo (square) or the Cobra Speed LD, they were LOUD.

[elwhippy]

Ping drivers seem to work just fine without any carbon. Finau and Champ nuke it off the tee and I cannot see how a head made of mixed materials would benefit them in any way? As for the noise I never take much notice as if the club works then it would be in the bag. And I wholeheartedly agree with GG194...those heads were loud but effective. 

[SubaruWRX]

So is it a 2023 release now? 
 
And will it have the turbulators again?🤮

 

I wish they’d do a re-release of the G20. Call it the G20.335. Something like TM did with the M4? That G20 was a good driver that worked without any gimmicks. 

[Double Dodger]

On 7/12/2021 at 8:44 AM, getair23 said:

Hope they keep an all titanium crown in the mix.  Titleist and Ping are the only two major OES's left standing without a current carbon crown.  It's nice to have options.   

Tour Edge, the best of both worlds. 

[bcflyguy1]

On 9/26/2021 at 3:17 AM, GG194 said:

Keep reading about the Ping sound, I have a G410+ and don't notice it. Apparently no one remembers the nike sasquatch sumo (square) or the Cobra Speed LD, they were LOUD.

Oh, I 'member...

[DREWZER300]

On 9/26/2021 at 4:17 AM, GG194 said:

Keep reading about the Ping sound, I have a G410+ and don't notice it. Apparently no one remembers the nike sasquatch sumo (square) or the Cobra Speed LD, they were LOUD.

 

The Cobra Speed LD was terrible.    It was somehow trash can combined with nails across a chalkboard

[asumnerdawg]

3 hours ago, DREWZER300 said:

 

The Cobra Speed LD was terrible.    It was somehow trash can combined with nails across a chalkboard

Cobra Bio Cell + sounded like a TPX hitting a rock but it was LONG.  One of my favorite drivers ever.  Sound kept it from being perfect.

[QuigleyDU]

Dear Ping, eardrums everywhere thank you. Hearing doctors, and hearing aid companies everywhere will need to re-evaluate their business and marketing. 

[scooterhd2]

On 9/13/2021 at 8:45 AM, bopper53 said:

Surprised that sound bothers people.

 

In over 30 years of golfing, I have owned most drivers and never once thought about the sound.

 

Boy, if you only knew how much money golf manufacturers spend on software development for sound predictive simulations, sound modeling, live testing in anechoic chambers, frequency captures on different parts of the club, and patents on all the different internal structures and materials to fine tune the sound properties of the head.... 

 

Sound is feel. OEMs know if a consumer demos the club and it doesnt feel and sound right, its one swing and then back on the rack. And they wont admit it, but they are inherently giving up at least minute performance benefits in order to make it sound appealing. 

 

 

[Ghostwedge]

12 minutes ago, scooterhd2 said:

 

Boy, if you only knew how much money golf manufacturers spend on software development for sound predictive simulations, sound modeling, live testing in anechoic chambers, frequency captures on different parts of the club, and patents on all the different internal structures and materials to fine tune the sound properties of the head.... 

 

Sound is feel. OEMs know if a consumer demos the club and it doesnt feel and sound right, its one swing and then back on the rack. And they wont admit it, but they are inherently giving up at least minute performance benefits in order to make it sound appealing. 

 

 

I agree with your statement, I never bought certain OEM drivers because they were too quiet for me. 

[scooterhd2]

2 minutes ago, Ghostwedge said:

I agree with your statement, I never bought certain OEM drivers because they were too quiet for me. 

 

Yes, most manufactures have a target decibel on a centered hit with the driver at certain club head speeds. Anything quieter than 80 decibels and the club sounds weak and like the ball is not going to go anywhere. If its too muted, it doesnt matter what the monitor says, the person doesnt feel like they crushed it. Too loud, over 100-110 and the sound is annoying, potentially echoing in a bay, and creates discomfort in that the sound is too attention grabbing and that others are looking. Not too mention long term ear health. 

[Ghostwedge]

4 minutes ago, scooterhd2 said:

 

Yes, most manufactures have a target decibel on a centered hit with the driver at certain club head speeds. Anything quieter than 80 decibels and the club sounds weak and like the ball is not going to go anywhere. If its too muted, it doesnt matter what the monitor says, the person doesnt feel like they crushed it. Too loud, over 100-110 and the sound is annoying, potentially echoing in a bay, and creates discomfort in that the sound is too attention grabbing and that others are looking. Not too mention long term ear health. 

At what swing speed does the OEM consider acceptable for sound ?

I hit a driver center cut more often than not but my SS is far less WRX than most guys at 95 mph.... lol.

[Steelhead]

On 9/17/2021 at 1:55 PM, MattM97 said:

 

Welcome to golf, where everyone bitches about everything. 

I didn't b.itch about it..I just put two cotton balls in every G driver I have ever owned and Voila! Tour head!

Edited May 11, 2022 by Steelhead

[scooterhd2]

1 hour ago, Ghostwedge said:

At what swing speed does the OEM consider acceptable for sound ?

I hit a driver center cut more often than not but my SS is far less WRX than most guys at 95 mph.... lol.

 

I'm sure they are all similar, but slightly different. Definitely geared toward target market of the driver. Callaway Triple Diamond and Rogue Max Draw are designed to be swung at different speeds. Drivers will have different shapes, or be more elongated, which design wise is meant to control the COG and MOI but changes sound as well. Moving or adding weight ports changes sound as well. So they are all compensated for. 

[BYK]

I guess I'm the only one that isn't bothered by the sound of Ping Drivers.

 

EDIT

one of the few who isn't bothered by sound lol

 

Edited May 12, 2022 by BYK

[GolfTurkey]

9 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

Dear Ping, eardrums everywhere thank you. Hearing doctors, and hearing aid companies everywhere will need to re-evaluate their business and marketing. 

 

Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I've felt that I've detected a certain amount of small but increasing arrogance (for lack of a better word) from Ping the last few years.

 

Their pricing policies, price increases, long shipping delays and more importantly lack of communication / transparency around the delays and "take it or leave it" approach to their club design (e.g. their super loud / clicky models) all don't sit comfortably with me. 

 

I get that they're a private company and can sort of do what they want without having to answer to shareholders and investment funds, but I'm concerned that more people are going to take the "leave it" approach to Ping's offerings. I've historically done well with their clubs and would like them to remain part of the big four without it becoming a big three.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2022 by GolfTurkey

[QuigleyDU]

43 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I've felt that I've detected a certain amount of small but increasing arrogance (for lack of a better word) from Ping the last few years.

 

Their pricing policies, price increases, long shipping delays and more importantly lack of communication / transparency around the delays and "take it or leave it" approach to their club design (e.g. their super loud / clicky models) all don't sit comfortably with me. 

 

I get that they're a private company and can sort of do what they want without having to answer to shareholders and investment funds, but I'm concerned that more people are going to take the "leave it" approach to Ping's offerings. I've historically done well with their clubs and would like them to remain part of the big four without it becoming a big three.

 

 

The have struggled more than any other OeM the past two year logistically. Had some bad luck too. Their products have always been good. I agree their mantra has always been a bit “here it is, take it or leave it”..

[RacineBoxer]

10 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I've felt that I've detected a certain amount of small but increasing arrogance (for lack of a better word) from Ping the last few years.

 

Their pricing policies, price increases, long shipping delays and more importantly lack of communication / transparency around the delays and "take it or leave it" approach to their club design (e.g. their super loud / clicky models) all don't sit comfortably with me. 

 

I get that they're a private company and can sort of do what they want without having to answer to shareholders and investment funds, but I'm concerned that more people are going to take the "leave it" approach to Ping's offerings. I've historically done well with their clubs and would like them to remain part of the big four without it becoming a big three.

 

 

 

I would put it like this. Ping has never been known for drivers. They just haven't. But when you lead the Masters with the most drivers in play despite having a massively smaller budget than Titleist, Callaway & TaylorMade... yeah the engineers might be puffing their chests out a little bit right now with the smashing success of the G425. 

 

 

[BlkNGld]

14 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I've felt that I've detected a certain amount of small but increasing arrogance (for lack of a better word) from Ping the last few years.

 

Their pricing policies, price increases, long shipping delays and more importantly lack of communication / transparency around the delays and "take it or leave it" approach to their club design (e.g. their super loud / clicky models) all don't sit comfortably with me. 

 

I get that they're a private company and can sort of do what they want without having to answer to shareholders and investment funds, but I'm concerned that more people are going to take the "leave it" approach to Ping's offerings. I've historically done well with their clubs and would like them to remain part of the big four without it becoming a big three.

 

 

 

Always interesting how things can be perceived differently.

 

Where you might say arrogance, I see consistency and steadfast belief in their approach.  

 

That can certainly be perceived as 'take it or leave it', and if it crossed over into 'our way is the only way', I'd agree on the arrogance, but I've never seen that.

 

That doesn't mean there aren't areas where they've come up short or that in hindsight they may have made some wrong choices.  

[GolfTurkey]

6 hours ago, BlkNGld said:

 

Always interesting how things can be perceived differently.

 

Where you might say arrogance, I see consistency and steadfast belief in their approach.  

 

That can certainly be perceived as 'take it or leave it', and if it crossed over into 'our way is the only way', I'd agree on the arrogance, but I've never seen that.

 

That doesn't mean there aren't areas where they've come up short or that in hindsight they may have made some wrong choices.  

I guess one example is that the G400 and G410 line of drivers were almost universally well reviewed, with the major complaint being sound/feel.

 

So what did Ping do…they made an even louder driver in G425! It would have been so easy for them to put a couple grams of hot melt in each head (like the tour guys undoubtably get) and adjust the back weight accordingly.
 

Maybe they are finally listening to customers / reviewers since they are putting hot melt (“EVA polymer”, lol) in each i525 head. I’m saying all this as someone with 11 Ping clubs in the bag. They just sometimes make it feel like taking foul tasting medicine that you know is good for you.

[RacineBoxer]

13 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

I guess one example is that the G400 and G410 line of drivers were almost universally well reviewed, with the major complaint being sound/feel.

 

So what did Ping do…they made an even louder driver in G425! It would have been so easy for them to put a couple grams of hot melt in each head (like the tour guys undoubtably get) and adjust the back weight accordingly.
 

Maybe they are finally listening to customers / reviewers since they are putting hot melt (“EVA polymer”, lol) in each i525 head. I’m saying all this as someone with 11 Ping clubs in the bag. They just sometimes make it feel like taking foul tasting medicine that you know is good for you.

 

They also switched the Glide 4.0 wedges to 8620 carbon steel and I think the only reason was to make them feel softer. And I'm still kicking myself I bought 3 SM9's because I really think the Glides are better.

 

I actually think Ping is doing great right now. Complain about the G425 driver sound all you want but it's been a smashing success. 2nd swing golf on youtube just picked the G425 irons (all the G series really) as the best GI irons of the past 5 years (in both performance and also sales). The i525's are really, really good too. And they've been available, the Mizuno threads are full of people pissed off they can't get their orders.

 

Their weakspot is that i210 replacement. I do question having the blueprint and the i59 iron offerings. That feels like a lot of Ping resources for two sets of irons that probably less than 2% of the golfing world should be playing. But that i210 replacement will come out this fall I bet will be really nice. I just wonder if it'll be really high spin like the i210's. As someone who has a lot of spin already the i210 was just too much spin for me. 

[hammergolf]

22 hours ago, BlkNGld said:

 

Always interesting how things can be perceived differently.

 

Where you might say arrogance, I see consistency and steadfast belief in their approach.  

 

That can certainly be perceived as 'take it or leave it', and if it crossed over into 'our way is the only way', I'd agree on the arrogance, but I've never seen that.

 

That doesn't mean there aren't areas where they've come up short or that in hindsight they may have made some wrong choices.  

I’ve had discussions with Ping engineers before on visits to Scottsdale. They all said there is no performance advantage to using a carbon crown in drivers. If anyone knows anything about Ping and their design values, performance is at the top of the list, followed closely by forgiveness. Then comes looks, feel, and last is sound. I don’t think anyone would dispute the fact that Ping have made the most forgiving drivers for decades going all the way back to the Tisi. I think they have tried to address the sound issue by now offering hot melt, but I don’t see Ping changing to focus on sound over performance. I’m sure if the engineers can see a performance advantage in using carbon again, (was used in the original Rapture driver in 2006) they will include it in the new offering.