Tiger Car Accident. ***All Content Subject to Moderation***

[CasualLie]

84 - 87 mph!  One more mph and he would have been back to the future!

 

Lucky to be alive.

 

And thanks TW...I did have the over on the o/u 60 mph bet.

[Golfrnut]

4 hours ago, Frankensteins Monster said:

What you're arguing is, since Tiger is a "celebrity," you should be able to know everything about it.

 

And this is the unfortunate world we live in today, where the thought process is that everyone is owed something.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Presser today said the accident looked something like this... 

 

 

[gators78]

2 hours ago, Krt22 said:

Bingo. Since the information and cause of the crash was in fact released, it was likely because Tiger's team said it was OK to help end the wild speculation.  Given there were no formal charges filed (not even a citation), I can't see any reason why it would become public information. If John Smith does the same, there wouldn't be multiple news crews/helos, press release, etc. They would clean it up and move on.

 

He's lucky to be alive for how fast he was going, really goes to show how much modern cars have come along in terms of safety.

 

Yea I'm going to dispute this. Most states have levels of careless/reckless driving charge that apply when you lose control of a vehicle, for whatever reason. You could be going the speed limit and hydroplane into a guardrail, and be charged for losing control simply for not taking prudent or reasonable steps to control the car. At a minimum, there should be a minor citation filed. John Smith also doesn't get the benefit of saying "I mixed up the pedals, it's an accident" and the police waive a charge. I mean...isnt' that the whole point of a judge or court, instead of police, to determine how valid your reason is?

[Mustard_Tiger]

Two things explain the speed and no braking that does not involve Tiger driving recklessly. A stuck accelerator or he was pressing the accelerator instead of the brake in attempting to slow down the vehicle. This is more likely to happen when driving a rental or loaner car that one is unfamiliar with. Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast on this issue:

 

http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/08-blame-game

 

I will also add that my son jumped my car over a curb and hit a pine tree thinking he was pressing the brake. It happens.

[MK7Golf21]

He hit the gas instead of the brake during the accident with gas pedal down 99 percent down. All I know is Tiger can't drive, years ago I knew a kid that didn't have his license but took a car out and did the same thing.

[Skhacker]

Some people are just really bad drivers. Tiger happens to be one of them. 

[Jwin323]

On 3/28/2021 at 1:11 AM, Hack Daddy said:

 

In California, you can be charged with bodily injury... to yourself. 

The Sierra Club wants him prosecuted for murdering that tree.

[CasualLie]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Presser today said the accident looked something like this... 

 

 

 

Oh yes!  Can't believe it took 41 pages to get a look at Toonces!

[Krt22]

3 hours ago, Dpavs said:

So it's confirmed that you were speeding at a rate of travel that was ridiculous compared to the posted limit... you leave the road and damage public property and you skate without any charges whatsoever, not to mention that the sheriff, by all accounts, never even attempted to get a a warrant for a blood screening ... nope ... no special treatment here... move along.

As I stated before, without witnesses, it's very very hard for it to be become a citation, let alone a criminal charge. You would not be treated any differently had the same thing occurred to you. From the horses mouth.

 

Q: Why is he not being cited?

James C. Powers, captain of the Lomita sheriff’s station, said data from Wood’s SUV was not enough to cite Woods with speeding. He said the act had to be witnessed by a law enforcement officer, which is required for a citation.

“It is a solo traffic collision,” said L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. “We are not going to issue a citation for an infraction not in a peace officer’s presence. That would apply to everybody.” Villanueva said any suggestion that Woods had received special treatment “is false.”

[soregongolfer]

6 hours ago, PuttCurseRepeat said:

 

Are vehicular accident reports not open to public record? 

Not in California.  

[ebrasmus21]

4 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

As I stated before, without witnesses, it's very very hard for it to be become a citation, let alone a criminal charge. You would not be treated any differently had the same thing occurred to you. From the horses mouth.

 

Q: Why is he not being cited?

James C. Powers, captain of the Lomita sheriff’s station, said data from Wood’s SUV was not enough to cite Woods with speeding. He said the act had to be witnessed by a law enforcement officer, which is required for a citation.

“It is a solo traffic collision,” said L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. “We are not going to issue a citation for an infraction not in a peace officer’s presence. That would apply to everybody.” Villanueva said any suggestion that Woods had received special treatment “is false.”

Warrants aren't handed out like lollypops at the candy store (contrary to popular belief, apparently). 

[GolfTurkey]

9 minutes ago, Krt22 said:Villanueva said any suggestion that Woods had received special treatment “is false.”

Has any judge or law enforcement officer in the history of the universe ever said “yes, we gave so and so special treatment because he/she is rich and famous”?
 

As for Tiger being a 20 'capper driver...maybe with a breakfast ball every second hole and unlimited foot wedges.

[TiScape]

4 hours ago, CallawayLefty said:

I think the level of analysis done here is very unfortunate and is essentially directly related to who the driver of this vehicle was.  The saddest part is that by refusing to pursue this further, whatever behavior caused this accident will go unchecked, which puts Tiger, his children, and other drivers and their children, at risk in the future.   I personally find it highly unlikely that this is all an innocent mistake.  Two prior incidents driving under the influence, one very recent, and he all of a sudden shows up doing double the speed limit and accelerating into a crash...and we're just going to leave it at that? 

 

This whole thing is a massive shame, and I hope we don't have to read about something worse at some point.    

Totally agree and well said. A bullet was dodged this time. Same actions by Tiger with a vehicle or more in the wrong place at the wrong time and it’s a MAJOR tragedy. Common sense tells me, based on the things you already mentioned, that at very least a blood test. How is his past not a determining factor in checking for impairment? I’m not trying to crucify him, I’m a Tiger fan, I’m trying to get someone help if they need it and possibly help avoid a possible tragedy in the future. You take the blood and there’s nothing, great! No harm, no foul. 

[miamistomp]

 Why do we care ?

  Not worth anymore tax dollars investigating this

   Hope he recovers and wises up and hires a chauffeur ( he can afford it )

[Dpavs]

16 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

As I stated before, without witnesses, it's very very hard for it to be become a citation, let alone a criminal charge. You would not be treated any differently had the same thing occurred to you. From the horses mouth.

 

Q: Why is he not being cited?

James C. Powers, captain of the Lomita sheriff’s station, said data from Wood’s SUV was not enough to cite Woods with speeding. He said the act had to be witnessed by a law enforcement officer, which is required for a citation.

“It is a solo traffic collision,” said L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. “We are not going to issue a citation for an infraction not in a peace officer’s presence. That would apply to everybody.” Villanueva said any suggestion that Woods had received special treatment “is false.”

 

Yes many states would preclude the speeding charge based upon not having witnessed it or having caught it on an unmanned electronic device. While I admit not being familiar with the California statutes, many states do however have a minor offense of some sort for causing damage public property and this does not require that the offense was witnessed or recorded, just that it can be proved.

[Krt22]

22 minutes ago, ebrasmus21 said:

Warrants aren't handed out like lollypops at the candy store (contrary to popular belief, apparently). 

Especially when the only shred of probable cause for requesting the warrant has nothing at all to do with what occurred, but instead something that happened in another state years prior. 

 

I wonder how many of these folks would be OK getting a speeding citation without it being witnessed by anyone (let alone a LEO) or having a warrant served with no probable cause.

Edited April 7, 2021 by Krt22

[Krt22]

16 minutes ago, Dpavs said:

 

Yes many states would preclude the speeding charge based upon not having witnessed it or having caught it on an unmanned electronic device. While I admit not being familiar with the California statutes, many states do however have a minor offense of some sort for causing damage public property and this does not require that the offense was witnessed or recorded, just that it can be proved.

In CA, traffic collisions are more about financial liability than anything else (sans actual DUIs and such, even then, if you follow the money you see what it's mostly about). Solo vehicle accident, 100% the fault of driver, as long as they assume financial responsibility for the damage they caused, the state or municipality has little reason to invest resources to seek a minor criminal offense. Not to mention minor crime has all but been decriminalized in this state 

[luke1333]

45 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

As I stated before, without witnesses, it's very very hard for it to be become a citation, let alone a criminal charge. You would not be treated any differently had the same thing occurred to you. From the horses mouth.

 

Q: Why is he not being cited?

James C. Powers, captain of the Lomita sheriff’s station, said data from Wood’s SUV was not enough to cite Woods with speeding. He said the act had to be witnessed by a law enforcement officer, which is required for a citation.

“It is a solo traffic collision,” said L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. “We are not going to issue a citation for an infraction not in a peace officer’s presence. That would apply to everybody.” Villanueva said any suggestion that Woods had received special treatment “is false.”

This is complete BS there is a ton of charges a normal person would have got!

[Mustard_Tiger]

49 minutes ago, TiScape said:

A bullet was dodged this time. Same actions by Tiger with a vehicle or more in the wrong place at the wrong time and it’s a MAJOR tragedy. Common sense tells me, based on the things you already mentioned, that at very least a blood test. How is his past not a determining factor in checking for impairment? You take the blood and there’s nothing, great! No harm, no foul. 

 

Probable cause is based on what the officers see, hear, and smell at the scene in a case like this. Something that happened years ago is irrelevant.

[jmck]

6 minutes ago, luke1333 said:

This is complete BS there is a ton of charges a normal person would have got!

Yeah, no kidding. Granted, it was a while ago, but I’ve personally had a single vehicle crash is CA, no injuries, no property damage beside one unfortunate tree. Came around a corner at night, swerved to miss a deer, poor handling car (Chevy Vega if you must know, a true POS) swapped ends on me as I tried to get it under control, hit the tree instead of the deer, was maybe doing 50 in a 45 at the time at the absolute max. Not a soul around to witness it, certainly not a cop, or a black box, to testify against me. Certainly not 85+ in a 45....I would not be here writing this if that was the case.....And yet the cops were MORE than happy to give me a big lecture, threaten me with more serious charges, and ultimately write me a ticket for “speed too fast for conditions,” saying if I had been going slower I wouldn’t have crashed. Now granted that’s more likely than not, but still, point here is Tiger has clearly been given consideration the average citizen simply doesn’t get.

[Frankensteins Monster]

7 hours ago, PuttCurseRepeat said:

 

Are vehicular accident reports not open to public record? 

Depends on the state. 

[farmer]

A poster here who has driven the road said it is a tricky, nasty little piece of road.  Easy to go too fast, with a curve.  85 mph is about 125 ft per second, and stuff happens very quickly at that speed.  Maybe Tiger's celebrity status will cause the city to think about improvements.

[soregongolfer]

17 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

As I stated before, without witnesses, it's very very hard for it to be become a citation, let alone a criminal charge. You would not be treated any differently had the same thing occurred to you. From the horses mouth.

 

Q: Why is he not being cited?

James C. Powers, captain of the Lomita sheriff’s station, said data from Wood’s SUV was not enough to cite Woods with speeding. He said the act had to be witnessed by a law enforcement officer, which is required for a citation.

“It is a solo traffic collision,” said L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. “We are not going to issue a citation for an infraction not in a peace officer’s presence. That would apply to everybody.” Villanueva said any suggestion that Woods had received special treatment “is false.”

It can't be traffic infraction because it wasn't witnessed by police.  That is correct and exactly what the captain said above.  However, reckelss driving can be charged because it is a misdemeanor aka a crime.  Crimes do not have to be witnessed. The prosecution of crimes need evidence and evidence is present.  The first piece being the distance the vehicle rolled end over end.  An accident investigator could give the an estimation as to Tiger's speed with that alone.  Second, the black box data which pin-pointed Tiger's speed.  So we know that Tiger was speeding, which isn't reckless driving alone, but we know Tiger was traveling at an excessive speed.  Here's comes the explanation...   

 

California, along with my state of Oregon, has a Basic Speed Law.  The Basic Speed Law is about what speed is reasonable and prudent given outside circumstances like weather, road grade, visibility, etc.  Doing 55 mph on a highway during a major snowstorm, for example, can earn you a ticket despite not violating the speed limit.  This is where Tiger should have gotten into trouble because he was traveling at 40+ mph over the limit going down hill in an area with a lot of curves and poor visibility per posters here and others I've read.  This feeds right into the definition of reckless driving which is the wonton disregard for the safety of other drivers and property.    

 

I'm looking forward to reading quotes from former California officers regarding this case in the coming days.  Laws vary from state to state and I'm curious to hear what these officers say.  I'm a little biased because here in Oregon 30+ mph over the speed limit is an automatic reckless driving arrest.  

[dlygrisse]

Sounds pretty bad, he’s lucky they saved his leg 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/07/tiger-woods-crash-report-details-first-observed-injuries/
 

 

[Hawkeye77]

It will never cease to amaze me how just because it's Tiger (or insert any other person or celebrity someone just doesn't like for whatever reason) people want to impose their own sense of "justice" and impose/demand consequences when they have no relevant or real interest whatsoever in the outcome. 

 

 

[TiScape]

34 minutes ago, Mustard_Tiger said:

 

Probable cause is based on what the officers see, hear, and smell at the scene in a case like this. Something that happened years ago is irrelevant.

That’s unfortunate. How does an individual determine impairment via pain killers after a bad accident? I’d imagine impairment from opioids and the condition of someone after a crash like this would be fairly similar. That said, why not err on the side of caution and let a simple blood test figure it out? Am I asking stupid or out of bounds questions here??? 

Edited April 7, 2021 by TiScape

[brew4eagle]

"No signs of impairment" is the aspect that doesn't pass muster for me.  How does one make such an assessment in this scenario?  Should be changed to something like "signs of impairment could not be assessed" or "...were not considered due to the priority of triaging the injuries".

Edited April 7, 2021 by brew4eagle

[MK7Golf21]

He hit the gas instead of the brake during the accident with gas pedal down 99 percent down. All I know is Tiger can't drive, years ago I knew a kid like 15 years old that didn't have his license but took a car out and did the same thing.

[TiScape]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

It will never cease to amaze me how just because it's Tiger (or insert any other person or celebrity someone just doesn't like for whatever reason) people want to impose their own sense of "justice" and impose/demand consequences when they have no relevant or real interest whatsoever in the outcome. 

 

 

I could care less if it’s Tiger or Joe Blow. I have an internet in the outcome and lack of a simple blood test because if there was any level of impairment and it went unchecked, next time it could be my son or loved one in the oncoming lane of traffic. Not that amazing to to me to have concern in that regard. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by TiScape