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Not a lost art   lofts used to be higher and the ball spun more   current 5i is the old 3 iron   this from a guy that carried 1, 2, 3 and 4 irons from ‘89-99

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There is no lost art, just replaced by clubs that give more output on the same input. Though replacement clubs are easier to launch and offer more forgiveness you still have to manage the face and low

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I’m a decently high swing speed player, and the longest iron I carry is a 5... my 4 utility and 3 hybrid simply offer more value and better options for me on the course.

 

A perfectly struck 2 iron isn’t going farther than a well hit 3 hybrid... the return simply isn’t there... 

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2 minutes ago, cgasucks said:

It's not really lost.  They just changed the numbers from a 3 iron to a 4 iron and 1 and 2 irons are now called driving irons.

Maybe I should have said the "redefined" art of hitting a long iron.

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Thank God and hybrids there gone.

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I can hit my 18* 3h a bit further than my 20* 3 iron, but I feel like I have better control with the iron and it is appropriate for the yardages I need it for.

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I think it's just because the driver goes so far, nobody (especially pros) needs to hit a second shot very far.

 

Even many par 5s are driver-5 iron for the big boys.

 

And if you do want to hit the equivalent of a 1-iron (maybe on a tight driving hole), then hybrids are much easier to hit...why kill yourself?

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1 hour ago, Pepperturbo said:

OP is right.  Most people taking up the game over the last ten plus years are oblivious to long irons.  Their sets consist of 5i or maybe even 6i as their longest club, balance are hybrids and utilities then woods.  A few of my buddies have bags like that.  They will never know the joy of hitting a pure 3 iron or 2i.  We never say WOW what a strike when one of them hits a solid hybrid because we all know it's designed to accommodate. 

 

I disagree with the sentiment that suggests a pure 2 iron isn't going further than 3 hybrid.  Depends on who is behind the club and how proficient they are at ball striking.  Hybrids to me are like strong lofted irons, neither is needed to score low nor hit the ball well.  Even when I took up the game, I never felt the need to hit the ball as far as humanly possible, and I am physically strong, still.

 

I am 70yrs old, and still play more traditionally lofted 620 series irons, 21' 3 iron, that flew 205yds on a short Par 4, yesterday, also 24' 4i to 200yd Par 3, plus 2 iron 230+yds down the middle of one fairway, and 240yds on another, yesterday.    I walked off with an easy 74 thanks to good ball striking and thinking my way around the golf course.   While my opponent didn't find fairways with his chosen hybrids and woods as he looked for distance, in hopes of out-driving this ole man. LOL 

 

Mind you, I am NOT telling anyone to play my choice of clubs or do what I do.  What I am saying is simple, it's more about ball striking than hitting the ball as far as possible.

 

PS

2i has AV White AM2 Iron S 90g HIGH bend shaft

3i has AV White AM2 Iron S 92g HIGH bend shaft. 

4i has AV White AM2 Iron S 94g HIGH bend shaft.

You my man are definitely a rare breed. Age 70, still bang ya 2 and 3 iron. I’d like to see you hit them both! That’s be awesome. I still love long irons. Only hybrid I don’t hook off the planet is an old antique Precept 18* that is long gone. It’s all me I know, just give me a 3 iron please!!

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10 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

My last two 4 irons were 20.5 degrees and 21 degrees, and you should see me hit them. I hit them so pure locally in Quebec they changed the name of "butter" to "Jeff hitting 4 irons". It made the local vendors VERY angry to have to do this as it cost them a fortune in new labels

So you're the one behind "buttergate".

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I haven’t carried a 1 iron since the 80’s, 2 iron since the 90’s, 3 iron since 00’s and a 4 iron since the 10’s.  
 

bout ready to ditch the 5.  Although I can still hit a GI 5 iron without issue. 

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I feel your sentiments although I didn’t grow up during these eras of 2-pw. I do get the sentiment of having a skill set some people don’t subscribe to. My one team mate has ap3s and hits a couple clubs 200+ even tho we know those 4-5-6-7 are literally one higher than stated.  
Where as when I played my mizunos mp62 I remember how some would have reaction to how small profile and thin at address. Then hear that strike/compression sound and be surprised I just put it out there with their clubs.  I will admit my tmb(23) is close to that mizzy 3i (21) but I approach striking it the same I would as any players club. 
 

errbody is a pro hitting 8-pw,  it’s 6i and up where you show real prowess. 😉

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There is a KZG CB 2 iron for sale I thought about getting and putting a graphite shaft in for fun.

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Taylormade GAPR Mid 21* Hybrid

KZG Forged 2-M cavity back 4-6 

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2 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

The other thing is that to stick greens with long irons these days you probably need to be 120+ with driver. How often is someone that long going to need a 2 or 3 iron off the deck?

I've done it a number of times with a Pro V  ball and I'm no where near 120.  

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11 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

The other thing is that to stick greens with long irons these days you probably need to be 120+ with driver. How often is someone that long going to need a 2 or 3 iron off the deck?

 

The other thing is that nobody sticks greens with a long iron. Never did.

 

If you look at the Trackman stats, a PGA Tour player hits a 3 iron (basically what a one iron used to be) with half the spin and 10% less landing angle than a 9 iron. On a fast and firm course...that's not 'sticking' on the green.

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My Ping Zing 2 2i is 17.5*. 

Taylormade M3 driver Mitsubishi Kuro Kage TiNi 70G shaft (cut to 44.5")

Taylormade M1 5 wood

Taylormade M4 19* Hybrid 

Taylormade GAPR Mid 21* Hybrid

KZG Forged 2-M cavity back 4-6 

KZG Forged Blade 7-PW

Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 80g iron shafts

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